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Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm, or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm. Some units are usual in some contexts, some are not. In one word, ha

Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm, or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm. Some units are usual in some contexts, some are not. In one word, habits.

sellyme 5y ago
> Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm Speak for yourself, I've been trying to popularise "1Mm" for years. Admittedly not with a huge amount of success. > or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one.
- snypher 5y ago
  If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was? The point would be to put it in a familiar unit, even though '150 million' isn't easy to visualize.
  - purplecats 5y ago
    pretty sure it was a joke
    - sellyme 5y ago
      Not a joke, the AU is a pretty common unit of measurement when talking about distances too large for metres and too small for light-years, especially since it's based on one of the most widely understood astronomical distances. Of course using it to describe the distance it's derived from is more than a little tautological, but that wasn't too important in the context of discussing magnitude prefixes. It's roughly the same thing as describing a distant potentially-habitable planet as being "1.5 times the size of Earth" instead of giving its radius in metres. It's just that AUs wrap that "n times the distance between the sun and the earth" into a nice standardised unit.
      - purplecats 5y ago
        ...thus making it tautological and extremely pertinent given the context
  - sellyme 5y ago
    > If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was? You'd probably do the same thing that you would do if they asked what a km was: keep changing the units until you get one that they recognise, and then now they can understand the original unit you used. (Although in this specific case given that they're asking about the definition of the unit you'd probably provide that context without needing further prompting in the first place, similar to if they asked about the circumference of the earth and you gave an answer in metres)
- kergonath 5y ago
  > Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one. Everybody knows it’s 4.848×10^12 attoprsecs.
- hanche 5y ago
  I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely. But also, I still have the Earth–Moon distance internalized as 385000 km, not 385 Mm, since that is what I learned as a kid. But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-)
  - sellyme 5y ago
    > I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely. Yeah, I mainly only use it in chats (where I can immediately explain it if needed) or in person (where the actual pronunciation of "megametres" makes it pretty obvious). "Mm" and "Gm" being somewhat difficult to google due to "mm" and "gm" being different SI units makes it untenable to just expect people to work it out on their own. > But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-) To be clear, I don't mean that you'd answer "1 AU" if someone asked you how far away the sun was - obviously that's completely worthless information! The discussion was just on what units and prefixes are used for various magnitudes of measurement, and the AU is a fantastic unit to use for things that would otherwise be measured in hundreds of gigametres. For example, if you had a table containing the distances between various celestial bodies, it would be very convenient to have "Sun <-> Earth: 1 AU" in there along with things like "Sun <-> Mars: 1.5 AU".
jobigoud 5y ago
I've been trying to spread the use of megametre as a common distance unit. I think it's very appropriate to talk about distances between large cities.
bootlooped 5y ago
Not to mention the most unloved metric prefixes, deci and Deca. When have you ever heard someone use those?
- cghendrix 5y ago
  Decathlon?
- karatinversion 5y ago
  Decilitre is pretty common in recipes in my neck of the woods
- mrob 5y ago
  Those prefixes are bad because they break the 10^(3n) pattern. centi and hecto are also bad for the same reason. Most calculators have an "engineering" mode which only uses the good prefixes, because it's easier to think about prefixes when the ratios between them are consistent.
  - pmontra 5y ago
    Centimeters are pretty common. Rulers are marked with cm and mm. We use mostly m and cm inside houses. A door width? 90 cm. A door height 2 meters and 10. And don't forget cubic centimeters (or cc) for engines. Anything from 2000 cc down to 50 cc is very common east of the Atlantic Ocean.
hinkley 5y ago
Them why is t my hard drive four million kilobytes? We already crossed this bridge with gigabytes, and the course was laid in with terabytes, which I first heard in a business setting over 20 years ago, when that was still a rack of hard disks. Cloud providers and the LHC brought us petabytes, and that was over ten years ago. The “oh by the way the next unit is ‘exabyte’” conversations started around the same time.
- kryptozinc 5y ago
  because people on HN like to get pedantic about stuff that is not really relevant to the discussion topic.

Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm, or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm. Some units are usual in some contexts, some are not. In one word, habits.

sellyme 5y ago

> Same reason for we say 1000 km instead of 1 Mm Speak for yourself, I've been trying to popularise "1Mm" for years. Admittedly not with a huge amount of success. > or Sun to Earth 150 M km instead of 150 Gm Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one.

snypher 5y ago
If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was? The point would be to put it in a familiar unit, even though '150 million' isn't easy to visualize.
- purplecats 5y ago
  pretty sure it was a joke
  - sellyme 5y ago
    Not a joke, the AU is a pretty common unit of measurement when talking about distances too large for metres and too small for light-years, especially since it's based on one of the most widely understood astronomical distances. Of course using it to describe the distance it's derived from is more than a little tautological, but that wasn't too important in the context of discussing magnitude prefixes. It's roughly the same thing as describing a distant potentially-habitable planet as being "1.5 times the size of Earth" instead of giving its radius in metres. It's just that AUs wrap that "n times the distance between the sun and the earth" into a nice standardised unit.
    - purplecats 5y ago
      ...thus making it tautological and extremely pertinent given the context
- sellyme 5y ago
  > If someone was to ask me how far is was from sun to earth, and I answered 1AU, and they asked what an AU was? You'd probably do the same thing that you would do if they asked what a km was: keep changing the units until you get one that they recognise, and then now they can understand the original unit you used. (Although in this specific case given that they're asking about the definition of the unit you'd probably provide that context without needing further prompting in the first place, similar to if they asked about the circumference of the earth and you gave an answer in metres)
kergonath 5y ago
> Surely "1 AU" is the preferred form for this one. Everybody knows it’s 4.848×10^12 attoprsecs.
hanche 5y ago
I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely. But also, I still have the Earth–Moon distance internalized as 385000 km, not 385 Mm, since that is what I learned as a kid. But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-)
- sellyme 5y ago
  > I’ve been using Mm too, but only when I have a reasonable expectation that it will be understood. IOW, rarely. Yeah, I mainly only use it in chats (where I can immediately explain it if needed) or in person (where the actual pronunciation of "megametres" makes it pretty obvious). "Mm" and "Gm" being somewhat difficult to google due to "mm" and "gm" being different SI units makes it untenable to just expect people to work it out on their own. > But stating the Sun–Earth distance as 1 AU is just a tautology, restating the definition, and hence void of information. I suspect you’re jesting. ;-) To be clear, I don't mean that you'd answer "1 AU" if someone asked you how far away the sun was - obviously that's completely worthless information! The discussion was just on what units and prefixes are used for various magnitudes of measurement, and the AU is a fantastic unit to use for things that would otherwise be measured in hundreds of gigametres. For example, if you had a table containing the distances between various celestial bodies, it would be very convenient to have "Sun <-> Earth: 1 AU" in there along with things like "Sun <-> Mars: 1.5 AU".

jobigoud 5y ago

I've been trying to spread the use of megametre as a common distance unit. I think it's very appropriate to talk about distances between large cities.

bootlooped 5y ago

Not to mention the most unloved metric prefixes, deci and Deca. When have you ever heard someone use those?

cghendrix 5y ago
Decathlon?
karatinversion 5y ago
Decilitre is pretty common in recipes in my neck of the woods
mrob 5y ago
Those prefixes are bad because they break the 10^(3n) pattern. centi and hecto are also bad for the same reason. Most calculators have an "engineering" mode which only uses the good prefixes, because it's easier to think about prefixes when the ratios between them are consistent.
- pmontra 5y ago
  Centimeters are pretty common. Rulers are marked with cm and mm. We use mostly m and cm inside houses. A door width? 90 cm. A door height 2 meters and 10. And don't forget cubic centimeters (or cc) for engines. Anything from 2000 cc down to 50 cc is very common east of the Atlantic Ocean.

hinkley 5y ago

Them why is t my hard drive four million kilobytes? We already crossed this bridge with gigabytes, and the course was laid in with terabytes, which I first heard in a business setting over 20 years ago, when that was still a rack of hard disks. Cloud providers and the LHC brought us petabytes, and that was over ten years ago. The “oh by the way the next unit is ‘exabyte’” conversations started around the same time.

kryptozinc 5y ago
because people on HN like to get pedantic about stuff that is not really relevant to the discussion topic.