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I am not a religious person, but I admire the Sikhs. They embrace equality and should be an example to other religions on how to truly help their community. Th

by mike_d 5y ago

I am not a religious person, but I admire the Sikhs. They embrace equality and should be an example to other religions on how to truly help their community. They make exemptions to their religion when it benefits society, like not wearing kirpans on airplanes. As much as I would hate to see a Sikh (or anyone for that matter) badly injured in a motorcycle crash, not wearing an approved helmet has no external victims - so I respect this as a good compromise. Please supplement this with a good backboard and an airbag vest that provides neck support.

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use-n-gate 5y ago
Oh wow, I'm sure sikhs are definitely looking for validation from a random internet stranger who's probably never met a sikh. That said, sikhs saved 1 more billion people from being forced to convert to peaceful religion, so definitely decent people
Jeff_Brown 5y ago
In a country where the public picks up any part of one's medical bills, every taxpayer suffers the consequences of anyone's negligence. I'm not saying that that fact has clear behavioral implications -- a world where nobody wad allowed to risk their health in any way would be both unjust and impossible -- but it's true.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  Why should the public pay for that? Sounds like they are taking additional risks for no good reasons, why not let the market price the insurance premium?
  - exporectomy 5y ago
    Everyone takes risks for no good reasons. Drink a coke? Alcohol? Smoke? Cross the road? Drive a car? Have a baby? Work? Don't work? Sleep too much? Don't sleep enough? Etc. It's impossible not to. We need to experience life, not just avoid all risks!
- hisnameisjimmy 5y ago
  Or, in a more positive framing, our society pays for the negative externalities of our more risk oriented members doing rad shit. I am happy to pay through taxes for things like rescue services or medical bills for people who do things like rock climb or attempt ocean crossings in a solo kayak. Or even just ride a motorcycle without a helmet and look awesome. The world is better and more interesting with these people in it.
  - vladTheInhaler 5y ago
    I suspect that those riding without helmets might actually be cheaper to treat. If you survive an accident but get your foot degloved, and you need an amputation and a prosthetic and months of physical therapy, and then a hip replacement years later because of your messed up gait, that's a lot of taxpayer money. If you die on impact, treatment is much cheaper.
    - meepmorp 5y ago
      > If you die on impact, treatment is much cheaper. Plus, more organs for everyone else.
  - Jeff_Brown 5y ago
    I feel the same way. Our shared opinion, though, might not be the democratically weighted norm. Ideally people could self-select into places with different rules: some with higher taxes and more interesting people, some with the reverse.
kranner 5y ago
> but I admire the Sikhs. They embrace equality Unfortunately this is true only on paper. I grew up in (Indian) Punjab, the heartland of Sikhism and a Sikh-majority region. In practice Sikhs participate as fully in the caste system as Hindus. Matrimonial advertisements for arranged marriages in newspapers are segregated by religion and caste, and that's true in Sikhism as well. See https://www.tribuneindia.com/classified/grommswanted https://www.tribuneindia.com/classified/grommswanted . Notice almost all the Sikh listings include caste names as well (Jat Sikh, Gursikh, Khatri, Ramdasia, etc). Mazhabi Sikhs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazhabi_Sikh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazhabi_Sikh) who are from 'untouchable' Hindu backgrounds are still discriminated against. They marry within their own communities. I've known 'high caste' Sikh parents to reject a groom from a Mazhabi background even when the groom was a high-ranking government officer with a prestigious job (as in the kind where he always has a police cordon around him). Punjabi comedy openly includes casteist slurs against mercantile Sikh castes. I could cite some but they are in Punjabi. There's just so much against evidence against Sikhs not embracing equality in real life that I don't know where to start talking about it. They are simply no better and no worse than other Indians in this regard.

by mike_d 5y ago

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use-n-gate 5y ago

Oh wow, I'm sure sikhs are definitely looking for validation from a random internet stranger who's probably never met a sikh. That said, sikhs saved 1 more billion people from being forced to convert to peaceful religion, so definitely decent people

Jeff_Brown 5y ago

In a country where the public picks up any part of one's medical bills, every taxpayer suffers the consequences of anyone's negligence. I'm not saying that that fact has clear behavioral implications -- a world where nobody wad allowed to risk their health in any way would be both unjust and impossible -- but it's true.

908B64B197 5y ago
Why should the public pay for that? Sounds like they are taking additional risks for no good reasons, why not let the market price the insurance premium?
- exporectomy 5y ago
  Everyone takes risks for no good reasons. Drink a coke? Alcohol? Smoke? Cross the road? Drive a car? Have a baby? Work? Don't work? Sleep too much? Don't sleep enough? Etc. It's impossible not to. We need to experience life, not just avoid all risks!
hisnameisjimmy 5y ago
Or, in a more positive framing, our society pays for the negative externalities of our more risk oriented members doing rad shit. I am happy to pay through taxes for things like rescue services or medical bills for people who do things like rock climb or attempt ocean crossings in a solo kayak. Or even just ride a motorcycle without a helmet and look awesome. The world is better and more interesting with these people in it.
- vladTheInhaler 5y ago
  I suspect that those riding without helmets might actually be cheaper to treat. If you survive an accident but get your foot degloved, and you need an amputation and a prosthetic and months of physical therapy, and then a hip replacement years later because of your messed up gait, that's a lot of taxpayer money. If you die on impact, treatment is much cheaper.
  - meepmorp 5y ago
    > If you die on impact, treatment is much cheaper. Plus, more organs for everyone else.
- Jeff_Brown 5y ago
  I feel the same way. Our shared opinion, though, might not be the democratically weighted norm. Ideally people could self-select into places with different rules: some with higher taxes and more interesting people, some with the reverse.

kranner 5y ago

> but I admire the Sikhs. They embrace equality Unfortunately this is true only on paper. I grew up in (Indian) Punjab, the heartland of Sikhism and a Sikh-majority region. In practice Sikhs participate as fully in the caste system as Hindus. Matrimonial advertisements for arranged marriages in newspapers are segregated by religion and caste, and that's true in Sikhism as well. See https://www.tribuneindia.com/classified/grommswanted https://www.tribuneindia.com/classified/grommswanted . Notice almost all the Sikh listings include caste names as well (Jat Sikh, Gursikh, Khatri, Ramdasia, etc). Mazhabi Sikhs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazhabi_Sikh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazhabi_Sikh) who are from 'untouchable' Hindu backgrounds are still discriminated against. They marry within their own communities. I've known 'high caste' Sikh parents to reject a groom from a Mazhabi background even when the groom was a high-ranking government officer with a prestigious job (as in the kind where he always has a police cordon around him). Punjabi comedy openly includes casteist slurs against mercantile Sikh castes. I could cite some but they are in Punjabi. There's just so much against evidence against Sikhs not embracing equality in real life that I don't know where to start talking about it. They are simply no better and no worse than other Indians in this regard.