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It would be useful to know what the significance of this is - the inventor himself calls it a game changer, but the only expert quoted acknowledges there are pl

It would be useful to know what the significance of this is - the inventor himself calls it a game changer, but the only expert quoted acknowledges there are plenty of interesting ideas out there that need to go through trials. The lack of context for why this particular idea is a headline story (beyond "knife crime") is frustrating.

giantg2 5y ago
I guess when "gun violence" is low enough, then "knife crime" becomes the new "gun violence".
- tomrod 5y ago
  This is correct, and ultimately a preferable outcome to guns. There are two causal factors for gun violence -- access to guns, and desire to cause destruction. With knives, your arms quite literally will tire out. Still not a GOOD outcome, but is the best to be expected when only one causal factor is blocked. Blocking the other is probably beyond the scope of policy generally, but decreasing it may be possibly impacted by social policies encouraging people's proclivity towards violence.
  - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
    > [Knife use] ultimately a preferable outcome to guns. Not if you are one of the hundred million people who have guns for defense it’s not. There is no better equalizer for the physically small or weak or elderly or disabled than a firearm. >There are two causal factors for gun violence -- access to guns, and desire to cause destruction Yes, where tool is available, people use it as intended and not. Firearms are used almost exclusively for legal defense, as frustrating as that may be to people who think the tool is the problem, and just banning the idol will abate the evil spirits. > With knives, your arms quite literally will tire out. This is not written by someone with edged weapons training. An actual fact of knife use from someone does is if you use a knife, you can EXPECT to be cut yourself. > encouraging people's proclivity towards violence. That’s interesting. If we look at the statistics of gun violence, would you be helpful and make more generalizations on who these people who have a “proclivity towards violence” are?
    - cyberge99 5y ago
      > Firearms are used almost exclusively for legal defense I believe they are used far more often in offense rather than defense. I’d be interested to see a valid statistic for your claim.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Estimates range from 60K to 2.5M defensive uses per year. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.htm...
      - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
        If you could point to some information showing that is true beyond your beliefs, I would be interested in seeing it. If it isn’t true, I wonder why you believe it is?
        pimterry 5y ago
        Ok, here's a Harvard analysis of peer-reviewed studies: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-thr.... Some highlights: > We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid. > Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal > Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal > We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. > We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime > most of the reported self-defense gun uses were hostile interactions between armed adolescents > We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.” > little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss Overall, it seems that: * Many publicized statistics about self-defense usage are inaccurate (millions of self-defensive usages appears to be completely impossible, for example). * Even legal guns are used more often illegally than for self-defense, generally for intimidation or during escalating arguments. * When used for legal self-defense, guns do not appear to be any more effective than other defensive alternatives for protecting either you or your property. These are high-profile peer-reviewed studies from a variety of research organizations, backed by varied selection of sources, and they come to consistent conclusions. I'd be interested to see any similar analysis that points towards any other conclusion.
- DoreenMichele 5y ago
  It's a UK article, not an American one. In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is subject to some of the strictest control measures in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_U...
  - giantg2 5y ago
    That's the point... knife crime is their new gun violence. Every problem solved will be replaced by some new problem - the politicians need their talking points.
    - tikwidd 5y ago
      I'll take a knife crime problem over a gun crime problem.
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Considering the violent crime rate is twice that of the US, I prefer the status quo and freedom.
        MaxBarraclough 5y ago
        The USA has a murder rate many times that of the UK. Not the most authoritative source, but: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kin...
        giantg2 5y ago
        Ok. What's your point?
        MaxBarraclough 5y ago
        You said the UK's violent crime rate is twice that of the US. This is at best misleading. Also, do you have a source?
- megablast 5y ago
  What is this useless comment? It’s easy to look up the numbers. There are proportionally the same stabbing sin Uk and USA. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-...
  - zdragnar 5y ago
    That is not what your source says: > Stabbing deaths and injuries are more common in Europe than they are in the Americas. Particularly in northern Europe, where levels of knife crimes among young people have increased and made headlines. It also has virtually no numbers other than percentages of deaths compared to other means, which isn't terribly helpful since overall homicide rates aren't compared, and that knife stabbings often do not actually result in death.
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      What could explain this sudden rise? What changed among young people?
      - giantg2 5y ago
        Whether talking about gun crime or knife crime, socioeconomic factors are the main driver. Stuff like not having job opportunities, being raised in an environment where violence is ok, etc.
- mclightning 5y ago
  mental gymnastics pro-gun people go through....

giantg2 5y ago

I guess when "gun violence" is low enough, then "knife crime" becomes the new "gun violence".

tomrod 5y ago
This is correct, and ultimately a preferable outcome to guns. There are two causal factors for gun violence -- access to guns, and desire to cause destruction. With knives, your arms quite literally will tire out. Still not a GOOD outcome, but is the best to be expected when only one causal factor is blocked. Blocking the other is probably beyond the scope of policy generally, but decreasing it may be possibly impacted by social policies encouraging people's proclivity towards violence.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
  > [Knife use] ultimately a preferable outcome to guns. Not if you are one of the hundred million people who have guns for defense it’s not. There is no better equalizer for the physically small or weak or elderly or disabled than a firearm. >There are two causal factors for gun violence -- access to guns, and desire to cause destruction Yes, where tool is available, people use it as intended and not. Firearms are used almost exclusively for legal defense, as frustrating as that may be to people who think the tool is the problem, and just banning the idol will abate the evil spirits. > With knives, your arms quite literally will tire out. This is not written by someone with edged weapons training. An actual fact of knife use from someone does is if you use a knife, you can EXPECT to be cut yourself. > encouraging people's proclivity towards violence. That’s interesting. If we look at the statistics of gun violence, would you be helpful and make more generalizations on who these people who have a “proclivity towards violence” are?
  - cyberge99 5y ago
    > Firearms are used almost exclusively for legal defense I believe they are used far more often in offense rather than defense. I’d be interested to see a valid statistic for your claim.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Estimates range from 60K to 2.5M defensive uses per year. https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.html https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/firearms/fastfact.htm...
    - SV_BubbleTime 5y ago
      If you could point to some information showing that is true beyond your beliefs, I would be interested in seeing it. If it isn’t true, I wonder why you believe it is?
      - pimterry 5y ago
        Ok, here's a Harvard analysis of peer-reviewed studies: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-threats-and-self-defense-gun-use-2/ https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/gun-thr.... Some highlights: > We find that the claim of many millions of annual self-defense gun uses by American citizens is invalid. > Criminal court judges who read the self-reported accounts of the purported self-defense gun use rated a majority as being illegal > Most purported self-defense gun uses are gun uses in escalating arguments, and are both socially undesirable and illegal > We found that firearms are used far more often to frighten and intimidate than they are used in self-defense. > We found that guns in the home are used more often to frighten intimates than to thwart crime > most of the reported self-defense gun uses were hostile interactions between armed adolescents > We found that one in four of these detainees had been wounded, in events that appear unrelated to their incarceration. Most were shot when they were victims of robberies, assaults and crossfires. Virtually none report being wounded by a “law-abiding citizen.” > little evidence that self-defense gun use is uniquely beneficial in reducing the likelihood of injury or property loss Overall, it seems that: * Many publicized statistics about self-defense usage are inaccurate (millions of self-defensive usages appears to be completely impossible, for example). * Even legal guns are used more often illegally than for self-defense, generally for intimidation or during escalating arguments. * When used for legal self-defense, guns do not appear to be any more effective than other defensive alternatives for protecting either you or your property. These are high-profile peer-reviewed studies from a variety of research organizations, backed by varied selection of sources, and they come to consistent conclusions. I'd be interested to see any similar analysis that points towards any other conclusion.
DoreenMichele 5y ago
It's a UK article, not an American one. In the United Kingdom, access by the general public to firearms is subject to some of the strictest control measures in the world. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_the_U...
- giantg2 5y ago
  That's the point... knife crime is their new gun violence. Every problem solved will be replaced by some new problem - the politicians need their talking points.
  - tikwidd 5y ago
    I'll take a knife crime problem over a gun crime problem.
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Considering the violent crime rate is twice that of the US, I prefer the status quo and freedom.
      - MaxBarraclough 5y ago
        The USA has a murder rate many times that of the UK. Not the most authoritative source, but: https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime/Violent-crime https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kin...
        giantg2 5y ago
        Ok. What's your point?
        MaxBarraclough 5y ago
        You said the UK's violent crime rate is twice that of the US. This is at best misleading. Also, do you have a source?
megablast 5y ago
What is this useless comment? It’s easy to look up the numbers. There are proportionally the same stabbing sin Uk and USA. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-deaths-by-country https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/stabbing-...
- zdragnar 5y ago
  That is not what your source says: > Stabbing deaths and injuries are more common in Europe than they are in the Americas. Particularly in northern Europe, where levels of knife crimes among young people have increased and made headlines. It also has virtually no numbers other than percentages of deaths compared to other means, which isn't terribly helpful since overall homicide rates aren't compared, and that knife stabbings often do not actually result in death.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    What could explain this sudden rise? What changed among young people?
    - giantg2 5y ago
      Whether talking about gun crime or knife crime, socioeconomic factors are the main driver. Stuff like not having job opportunities, being raised in an environment where violence is ok, etc.
mclightning 5y ago
mental gymnastics pro-gun people go through....