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These are now the "big ideas" in machine learning? I guess they have given up on AGI then? In my book, this AI diversity nonsense is not even AI research. The

These are now the "big ideas" in machine learning? I guess they have given up on AGI then? In my book, this AI diversity nonsense is not even AI research. The SJWs pretend they discovered the concept of bias, when it has always been a core part of Machine Learning from the beginning. Even more concerning, it is an attempt to permanently encode their distorted sense of reality in AI models that affect billions of people. This needs to be fought, not celebrated.

jijji 5y ago
This distorted sense of reality is already visible in Google's algorithms. Search for "men can" or "women can" on google home page, only to find "men can have periods", "men can get pregnant". Rather than have ML models trained on data that respresents the reality of something, the data is changed or the model is changed to spit out this distorted reality that doesnt exist in the model or data...
- nl 5y ago
  This is a weird claim! I searched for "men can". Eventually, on the fourth page of results I found an article from healthline[1] about periodic hormonal changes in men that does appear to have similar effects to the female period. This doesn't appear to be any form of bias or correction of bias or anything other than a highly SEOed and indexed page the is shown in response to a very vague query that matches the title of this page. [1] https://www.healthline.com/health/do-men-have-periods https://www.healthline.com/health/do-men-have-periods
  - jijji 5y ago
    I am not talking about search results, rather Google Instant results [0] .... [0] https://m.imgur.com/a/zMI6pTl https://m.imgur.com/a/zMI6pTl
pepemysurprised 5y ago
This nonsense doesn't even have to do anything with AI, it's just PR and a response to the current cultural environment.
jensensbutton 5y ago
What are you mad at, exactly? That people want to minimize the number of mistakes ML systems make due to skewed training data? Or that people don't want known problems to be baked into decision making systems that will impact real people? Who are the SJWs here? Other people with PhDs that have different opinions from you? Did they ruin your research? Did they make OpenAI stop what they're doing? Are you sure it's not your sense of reality that's distorted?
- biasedbrain 5y ago
  As I said, these SJWs and "AI ethics" researchers have not invented the idea of minimizing the number of mistakes ML systems make. Yes, you can point out that perhaps a data set is missing some black faces, but that should be a minor bug entry in the bug tracker, not a million dollar industry getting people PhDs. And "those people" are not stopping at providing better data sets, they want to introduce their own political bias into the system, literally creating a distorted view of the world. As I said, this is serious stuff, if you assume most people will perceive the world via Google searches. Maybe the issue here is "known problems" - this is not about "known problems", it is about a specific ideology that makes them believe they "know" what causes certain problems. As a simplified example, they want to make the AI "not see color" and think that will make the problems go away. Forcing the AI (and in turn the people who use it) to not see color is totalitarian control and wrong. Decision making is an issue, but that needs to be addressed at the human level, not in the tools that are being used to perceive the world. If you AI discovers that women historically have been worse hires for your company (or people doing the hiring thought they were worse), the correct response is not to introduce some artificial bias in the ML to ignore gender or inflate the scores for women. It is to try to figure out what has been going on, and to make up your mind what you actually want.
  - civilized 5y ago
    > As a simplified example, they want to make the AI "not see color" and think that will make the problems go away. I promise you that is the exact opposite of what they want.

jijji 5y ago

This distorted sense of reality is already visible in Google's algorithms. Search for "men can" or "women can" on google home page, only to find "men can have periods", "men can get pregnant". Rather than have ML models trained on data that respresents the reality of something, the data is changed or the model is changed to spit out this distorted reality that doesnt exist in the model or data...

nl 5y ago
This is a weird claim! I searched for "men can". Eventually, on the fourth page of results I found an article from healthline[1] about periodic hormonal changes in men that does appear to have similar effects to the female period. This doesn't appear to be any form of bias or correction of bias or anything other than a highly SEOed and indexed page the is shown in response to a very vague query that matches the title of this page. [1] https://www.healthline.com/health/do-men-have-periods https://www.healthline.com/health/do-men-have-periods
- jijji 5y ago
  I am not talking about search results, rather Google Instant results [0] .... [0] https://m.imgur.com/a/zMI6pTl https://m.imgur.com/a/zMI6pTl

pepemysurprised 5y ago

This nonsense doesn't even have to do anything with AI, it's just PR and a response to the current cultural environment.

jensensbutton 5y ago

What are you mad at, exactly? That people want to minimize the number of mistakes ML systems make due to skewed training data? Or that people don't want known problems to be baked into decision making systems that will impact real people? Who are the SJWs here? Other people with PhDs that have different opinions from you? Did they ruin your research? Did they make OpenAI stop what they're doing? Are you sure it's not your sense of reality that's distorted?

biasedbrain 5y ago
As I said, these SJWs and "AI ethics" researchers have not invented the idea of minimizing the number of mistakes ML systems make. Yes, you can point out that perhaps a data set is missing some black faces, but that should be a minor bug entry in the bug tracker, not a million dollar industry getting people PhDs. And "those people" are not stopping at providing better data sets, they want to introduce their own political bias into the system, literally creating a distorted view of the world. As I said, this is serious stuff, if you assume most people will perceive the world via Google searches. Maybe the issue here is "known problems" - this is not about "known problems", it is about a specific ideology that makes them believe they "know" what causes certain problems. As a simplified example, they want to make the AI "not see color" and think that will make the problems go away. Forcing the AI (and in turn the people who use it) to not see color is totalitarian control and wrong. Decision making is an issue, but that needs to be addressed at the human level, not in the tools that are being used to perceive the world. If you AI discovers that women historically have been worse hires for your company (or people doing the hiring thought they were worse), the correct response is not to introduce some artificial bias in the ML to ignore gender or inflate the scores for women. It is to try to figure out what has been going on, and to make up your mind what you actually want.
- civilized 5y ago
  > As a simplified example, they want to make the AI "not see color" and think that will make the problems go away. I promise you that is the exact opposite of what they want.