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I think a good deal of engineers here should familiarize themselves with Julia Reda and her work and ask themselves if they have the legal knowledge to debate o

I think a good deal of engineers here should familiarize themselves with Julia Reda and her work and ask themselves if they have the legal knowledge to debate on this matter. Common knowledge is not acceptable to determine truth. Would you really respect the opinion of some dude who's only used Excel about your profession?

josefx 5y ago
She cites githubs smallest excerpt claim for her reasoning when we already know that the tool happily reproduces entire functions with comments verbatim. Also her claims about machine generated code have a really funny interaction with the cp command. Clearly cp MicrosoftWindows11Source.zip FreeWindows.zip is not a creative process, cp is a command executed by a machine hence the contents of FreeWindows.zip are now entirely public domain. Man were was she when people where sued over creating entire libraries of public domain movies using BitTorrent?
- ramraj07 5y ago
  Just like you accuse her of being out of date with recent findings, y'all seem conveniently out of date with githubs assurance that they will be adding checks to not regurgitate full chunks of code. So what exactly is your point then?
  - josefx 5y ago
    Their own paper notes that they would at most inform you of the source. If they can even detect it, as their detection isn't perfect either[1]. [1]https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/research-recitation https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/research-recitatio...
ramraj07 5y ago
Won't work. This tool is attacking them like the presence of a vegan attacks some hardcore meat eaters. They might realize deep down that this is not an argument they can win but it offends their core existence in some ways so they can't help but die defending their incoherent arguments. Ethical or not, it's clear Microsoft isn't going to get into real legal trouble due to this, and if the tool is genuinely useful, it's going to "allow the laundering of GPL code" into companies, whatever that means. If that offends people then they better learn the lesson and not produce open source any more. I'm not happy but if thats the direction the natural progression of things take whatever let's see where that goes.

josefx 5y ago

She cites githubs smallest excerpt claim for her reasoning when we already know that the tool happily reproduces entire functions with comments verbatim. Also her claims about machine generated code have a really funny interaction with the cp command. Clearly cp MicrosoftWindows11Source.zip FreeWindows.zip is not a creative process, cp is a command executed by a machine hence the contents of FreeWindows.zip are now entirely public domain. Man were was she when people where sued over creating entire libraries of public domain movies using BitTorrent?

ramraj07 5y ago
Just like you accuse her of being out of date with recent findings, y'all seem conveniently out of date with githubs assurance that they will be adding checks to not regurgitate full chunks of code. So what exactly is your point then?
- josefx 5y ago
  Their own paper notes that they would at most inform you of the source. If they can even detect it, as their detection isn't perfect either[1]. [1]https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/research-recitation https://docs.github.com/en/github/copilot/research-recitatio...

ramraj07 5y ago

Won't work. This tool is attacking them like the presence of a vegan attacks some hardcore meat eaters. They might realize deep down that this is not an argument they can win but it offends their core existence in some ways so they can't help but die defending their incoherent arguments. Ethical or not, it's clear Microsoft isn't going to get into real legal trouble due to this, and if the tool is genuinely useful, it's going to "allow the laundering of GPL code" into companies, whatever that means. If that offends people then they better learn the lesson and not produce open source any more. I'm not happy but if thats the direction the natural progression of things take whatever let's see where that goes.