Yes, it would need to be qualitively different Simply to be able to simulate the universe, or provide a basis for (however we describe the issue) already needs

Yes, it would need to be qualitively different Simply to be able to simulate the universe, or provide a basis for (however we describe the issue) already needs to an excessively stupendous amount of power -- but that is something still within the realms of physics I was suggesting (as essentially do you) that to break out of the nested simulations (or whatever formulation) takes something qualitively different to what this universe is able to even fully conceptualize My placation to God (aka universe simulator runner), is to say that clearly this thing exists (else we don't) and clearly it must be different and outside the universe to an extent that we can't describe it In the same way that a set can't describe it's aleph numbers -- So in brief, I'm agreeing that another layer of simulation doesn't cut it