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> We didn't have to stop more often or stay any longer than we would have with gasoline. A serious question from someone who knows little about electric cars,

> We didn't have to stop more often or stay any longer than we would have with gasoline. A serious question from someone who knows little about electric cars, and who still thought it would take anywhere between 30-240 minutes to charge, depending on charger type - can electric cars really now charge faster than the < 180 seconds I'd spend refilling with petrol/diesel? If so, I think the industry needs to make more noise about this, to make it more know.

garyrichardson 5y ago
I own the 400km range model 3. I can tell you that you’re comparing apples and oranges. Over the course of the 50 weeks of a year that I don’t take it on long trips I spend 0 seconds waiting for a charge. I plug it in at night and it’s always full in the morning. A typical errand running day for me is 200+ km and I have more than enough range for that. The one or two times I take it on a road trip I usually time it with pee breaks and filling my self with coffee. Net/net I spend less time over all waiting to refuel my car. Yes, of course this depends on me having a place to plug it in at night.
theluketaylor 5y ago
I'm talking about total stop time. Pumping gas is an active task you have to be present for whereas charging isn't. I roll into a charger and plug in, then immediately head to the bathroom. Grab food if it's a lunch or snack break. Walk around to stretch my legs. By the time I'm ready to go so is the car. When pumping gas I can't leave the pump unattended, so bathroom time gets added on top of refuel time. With charging the car is adding range no matter what task I happen to be doing while the car is stationary. The other charge need is daily use. Charging at home is a game changer that absolutely beats gas pumps. It takes me 10 seconds to plug in as I leave the garage. I wake up to a full "tank" every single morning. Daily errands cannot possibly use up my 400 km range, so I never have to think about charge unless I'm on a road trip.
- GordonS 5y ago
  > The other charge need is daily use. Charging at home... Within reason, this seems like it would be a good tradeoff for many people. Say you're on a rare long journey and need to stop and charge - minutes-wise how long are we talking about?
  - theluketaylor 5y ago
    Not long. My most common road trip is about 720 km one way and doesn't have a lot of destination charging. I stop 3 times on the way up: * 5 minutes to get synced up with the distance between chargers (it's a very rural route; on more major routes you have plenty of choice about where to stop) * 20 minutes * 15 minutes to make sure I can make it back to the charging network since my destination is super rural. I have made that same journey to visit family many times in a gas car and we stop in the exact same places for pretty much exactly the same amount of time. The first one is in the town my grandmother lives in, so we'd have stopped to say hello anyway. The 2nd is where we have always stop for a meal. The 3rd stop is where we always take a bathroom break. https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com Select a car and enter a route. It will be a pretty accurate picture of the necessary charging. You can play with things like temperature, arrival and departure charge state, and load.

garyrichardson 5y ago

I own the 400km range model 3. I can tell you that you’re comparing apples and oranges. Over the course of the 50 weeks of a year that I don’t take it on long trips I spend 0 seconds waiting for a charge. I plug it in at night and it’s always full in the morning. A typical errand running day for me is 200+ km and I have more than enough range for that. The one or two times I take it on a road trip I usually time it with pee breaks and filling my self with coffee. Net/net I spend less time over all waiting to refuel my car. Yes, of course this depends on me having a place to plug it in at night.

theluketaylor 5y ago

I'm talking about total stop time. Pumping gas is an active task you have to be present for whereas charging isn't. I roll into a charger and plug in, then immediately head to the bathroom. Grab food if it's a lunch or snack break. Walk around to stretch my legs. By the time I'm ready to go so is the car. When pumping gas I can't leave the pump unattended, so bathroom time gets added on top of refuel time. With charging the car is adding range no matter what task I happen to be doing while the car is stationary. The other charge need is daily use. Charging at home is a game changer that absolutely beats gas pumps. It takes me 10 seconds to plug in as I leave the garage. I wake up to a full "tank" every single morning. Daily errands cannot possibly use up my 400 km range, so I never have to think about charge unless I'm on a road trip.

GordonS 5y ago
> The other charge need is daily use. Charging at home... Within reason, this seems like it would be a good tradeoff for many people. Say you're on a rare long journey and need to stop and charge - minutes-wise how long are we talking about?
- theluketaylor 5y ago
  Not long. My most common road trip is about 720 km one way and doesn't have a lot of destination charging. I stop 3 times on the way up: * 5 minutes to get synced up with the distance between chargers (it's a very rural route; on more major routes you have plenty of choice about where to stop) * 20 minutes * 15 minutes to make sure I can make it back to the charging network since my destination is super rural. I have made that same journey to visit family many times in a gas car and we stop in the exact same places for pretty much exactly the same amount of time. The first one is in the town my grandmother lives in, so we'd have stopped to say hello anyway. The 2nd is where we have always stop for a meal. The 3rd stop is where we always take a bathroom break. https://abetterrouteplanner.com https://abetterrouteplanner.com Select a car and enter a route. It will be a pretty accurate picture of the necessary charging. You can play with things like temperature, arrival and departure charge state, and load.