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> fatigue, headaches, joint pain, muscle aches and shortness of breath > “brain fog,” depression, anxiety and issues with sleep Given that this constellation

> fatigue, headaches, joint pain, muscle aches and shortness of breath > “brain fog,” depression, anxiety and issues with sleep Given that this constellation of symptoms existed as "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" for decades before 2020, don't we need a more convincing reason to attribute it to a disease that has existed only since September 2019?

hungryforcodes 5y ago
In fact, it could be anything. CFS sure. Also...a vitamin B12 deficiency, a spectrum of autoimmune diseases, alcohol withdrawal, generalized anxiety disorder, lime disease, post treatment lime disease syndrome, various nerve disorders, early onset of MS (which is of course an autoimmune disease), stress, emotional trauma, an undetected previous stroke, post traumatic stress disorder, burnout... ..and a serious bout of COVID with say hospitalization might be the tipping point for many of the above conditions.
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  ... another possible cause is the western diet and your gut microbiome being "shot", potentially from over-prescription of anti-biotics in youth. At least that was it for me. This was the year before Covid and the right pro-biotics plus a ~1 year long Keto diet got me out of that. I still take the pro biotics and eat differently, though no longer Keto. Never felt better.
  - hungryforcodes 5y ago
    Yeah, you found it effective -- interesting. I have tried the keto diet a few times and was incredibly fatigued so stopped it. I like the idea -- I might try again.
    - tharkun__ 5y ago
      Interesting. I was fatigued before I tried it anyway, so I might not have noticed any change. I have read about this online. How long did you try it out for? I do remember the first ~two weeks of the pro biotic I felt really bad. After that it got better and better and w/ Keto I stopped feeling hungry. There wasn't much of the craving sugar after a little while and even just some regular bread tasted 'sweet' when I finally had it again. Might be the combination of the two that helped w/ all of this.
SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago
Or conversely "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" could be an outcome that happens from time to time after different viral infections, COVID-19 just being the latest one of these. > The cause of chronic fatigue syndrome is unknown, although there are many theories — ranging from viral infections https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20360490 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatig...
senectus1 5y ago
I got my 2nd covid shot (Pfizer) two days ago and for the last two days have had all those mention as "side effects" of the vaccine. yesterday was a complete write off for me. I nearly passed out just walking to my kitchen to make lunch. feeling better today but am still weak and "dopey" in the brain. and my back still aches. In theory this will all go away fairly quickly, but if I had not gotten covid vaccines and had instead gotten covid I feel this might have been a lot worse.

hungryforcodes 5y ago

In fact, it could be anything. CFS sure. Also...a vitamin B12 deficiency, a spectrum of autoimmune diseases, alcohol withdrawal, generalized anxiety disorder, lime disease, post treatment lime disease syndrome, various nerve disorders, early onset of MS (which is of course an autoimmune disease), stress, emotional trauma, an undetected previous stroke, post traumatic stress disorder, burnout... ..and a serious bout of COVID with say hospitalization might be the tipping point for many of the above conditions.

tharkun__ 5y ago
... another possible cause is the western diet and your gut microbiome being "shot", potentially from over-prescription of anti-biotics in youth. At least that was it for me. This was the year before Covid and the right pro-biotics plus a ~1 year long Keto diet got me out of that. I still take the pro biotics and eat differently, though no longer Keto. Never felt better.
- hungryforcodes 5y ago
  Yeah, you found it effective -- interesting. I have tried the keto diet a few times and was incredibly fatigued so stopped it. I like the idea -- I might try again.
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    Interesting. I was fatigued before I tried it anyway, so I might not have noticed any change. I have read about this online. How long did you try it out for? I do remember the first ~two weeks of the pro biotic I felt really bad. After that it got better and better and w/ Keto I stopped feeling hungry. There wasn't much of the craving sugar after a little while and even just some regular bread tasted 'sweet' when I finally had it again. Might be the combination of the two that helped w/ all of this.

SideburnsOfDoom 5y ago

Or conversely "Chronic Fatigue Syndrome" could be an outcome that happens from time to time after different viral infections, COVID-19 just being the latest one of these. > The cause of chronic fatigue syndrome is unknown, although there are many theories — ranging from viral infections https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatigue-syndrome/symptoms-causes/syc-20360490 https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatig...

senectus1 5y ago

I got my 2nd covid shot (Pfizer) two days ago and for the last two days have had all those mention as "side effects" of the vaccine. yesterday was a complete write off for me. I nearly passed out just walking to my kitchen to make lunch. feeling better today but am still weak and "dopey" in the brain. and my back still aches. In theory this will all go away fairly quickly, but if I had not gotten covid vaccines and had instead gotten covid I feel this might have been a lot worse.