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"They still had hope back then. Reading that hope today hurts." - why? Nothing severe has happened yet. Article probably cherry picks the "best" predictions, to

"They still had hope back then. Reading that hope today hurts." - why? Nothing severe has happened yet. Article probably cherry picks the "best" predictions, too.

Paianni 5y ago
What would be severe to you?
- rob74 5y ago
  Cities like Venice and countries like the Maldives having to be evacuated because of sea level rise? But it remains to be seen if we can stop that from happening with the agreements currently in place...
- firestarter223 5y ago
  Regions becoming uninhabitable, sea levels rising, mass extinctions. As of now it is difficult to find any significant damage that is not actually the result of direct human mismanagement that they try to blame on climate change. Edit: no, not climate change. Things like diverting water and pumping wells dry, planting the wrong trees and preventing small fires that leads to huge fires, for example.
  - rob74 5y ago
    Are you including climate change in the results of direct human mismanagement?
    - firestarter223 5y ago
      No, I mean direct "mechanical" impact, agriculture, building, deforestation and so on.
  - CarelessExpert 5y ago
    > Regions becoming uninhabitable, sea levels rising, mass extinctions. Every single one of those things has already started happening. Sea level rise is already starting to threaten low lying coastal areas, including places like Miami beach where sea water is more and more frequently seeping up through porous bedrock and flooding roads and other public spaces. It's also exacerbating the effects of king tides and creating far more destructive storm surges. Parts of India are more frequently hitting the wet bulb temperature where humans can no longer survive, something which will occur with increasing frequency. And we're smack in the middle of a major mass extinction event. What more do you want?
    - firestarter223 5y ago
      "Started happening" - nothing severe has happened yet, though. And coastal regions often have other issues than rising sea levels. For example land sinking because too much water has been pumped from the wells. Also human settlements are probably expanding, at times into places that were not fit for building to begin with. The places with "wet bulb temperature" probably are uninhabited already. Such places have always existed (death valley perhaps an example in the US). I don't claim climate doesn't change, just the dramatic downsides don't seem to happen somehow.
      - CarelessExpert 5y ago
        > The places with "wet bulb temperature" probably are uninhabited already. The least you could do is use Google before making uneducated claims like this: https://news.yahoo.com/hotter-human-body-handle-pakistan-095120213.html https://news.yahoo.com/hotter-human-body-handle-pakistan-095... > Jacobabad crossed the 35C wet bulb threshold in July 1987, then again in June 2005, June 2010 and July 2012. Each time the boundary may have been breached for only a few hours, but a three-day average temperature has been recorded hovering around 34C in June 2010, June 2001 and July 2012. The dry bulb temperature is often over 50C in the summer. > just the dramatic downsides don't seem to happen somehow. If you're ignoring when it happens, changing goalposts, interpreting facts to fit your preconceived notions, and dismissing things based on the No True Scotsman fallacy, I could see how you might think that. Meanwhile, the Great Barrier Reef is bleaching so often now it can't recover, extreme weather has become more common, glaciers are retreating, coastal areas are eroding, and on and on. But if you want to keep ignoring what's happening right in front of your eyes, there's nothing I or anyone else can do about it except shake our heads, sigh, and continue to have no hope anything will change.
  - adrianN 5y ago
    Once those things have happened, it's way, way too late to stop things from getting worse.
    - firestarter223 5y ago
      There is an infinite number of alarmist scenarios. We can not react to all of them. The argument that it would be too late if some thing x would really happen is not very useful for decision making. For example a meteorite could hit earth and wipe out all life. Clearly we should pour all resources into building space ships.
frereubu 5y ago
> Nothing severe has happened yet. That sounds like the man who jumped off a tall building, and at each foor on the way down was heard to say "so far, so good..."
- firestarter223 5y ago
  We can not continue listening to the alarmists. There is an infinite number of things that can go wrong. Yet here we still are.
  - the_dune_13 5y ago
    > Yet here we still are. By we, you are talking middle to upper income countries not the poor countries in Africa and especially no the islands states in the Pacific. Or maybe you are not one of the relatives of the poor souls were lost in 50C heatwave in Canada last week. If those do not apply to you, sure we are here. Just add, at the moment.
    - firestarter223 5y ago
      Those are also still here (with exception of the heat wave victims, which seem out of place in an affluent country. I would suspect failure of politics/health system. But heat waves have always happened).
  - adrianN 5y ago
    We have never listened to alarmists, or the world would be carbon neutral by now.
- drewcoo 5y ago
  Or the person selling umbrellas to the crowd below.

"They still had hope back then. Reading that hope today hurts." - why? Nothing severe has happened yet. Article probably cherry picks the "best" predictions, too.

Paianni 5y ago

What would be severe to you?

rob74 5y ago
Cities like Venice and countries like the Maldives having to be evacuated because of sea level rise? But it remains to be seen if we can stop that from happening with the agreements currently in place...
firestarter223 5y ago
Regions becoming uninhabitable, sea levels rising, mass extinctions. As of now it is difficult to find any significant damage that is not actually the result of direct human mismanagement that they try to blame on climate change. Edit: no, not climate change. Things like diverting water and pumping wells dry, planting the wrong trees and preventing small fires that leads to huge fires, for example.
- rob74 5y ago
  Are you including climate change in the results of direct human mismanagement?
  - firestarter223 5y ago
    No, I mean direct "mechanical" impact, agriculture, building, deforestation and so on.
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  > Regions becoming uninhabitable, sea levels rising, mass extinctions. Every single one of those things has already started happening. Sea level rise is already starting to threaten low lying coastal areas, including places like Miami beach where sea water is more and more frequently seeping up through porous bedrock and flooding roads and other public spaces. It's also exacerbating the effects of king tides and creating far more destructive storm surges. Parts of India are more frequently hitting the wet bulb temperature where humans can no longer survive, something which will occur with increasing frequency. And we're smack in the middle of a major mass extinction event. What more do you want?
  - firestarter223 5y ago
    "Started happening" - nothing severe has happened yet, though. And coastal regions often have other issues than rising sea levels. For example land sinking because too much water has been pumped from the wells. Also human settlements are probably expanding, at times into places that were not fit for building to begin with. The places with "wet bulb temperature" probably are uninhabited already. Such places have always existed (death valley perhaps an example in the US). I don't claim climate doesn't change, just the dramatic downsides don't seem to happen somehow.
    - CarelessExpert 5y ago
      > The places with "wet bulb temperature" probably are uninhabited already. The least you could do is use Google before making uneducated claims like this: https://news.yahoo.com/hotter-human-body-handle-pakistan-095120213.html https://news.yahoo.com/hotter-human-body-handle-pakistan-095... > Jacobabad crossed the 35C wet bulb threshold in July 1987, then again in June 2005, June 2010 and July 2012. Each time the boundary may have been breached for only a few hours, but a three-day average temperature has been recorded hovering around 34C in June 2010, June 2001 and July 2012. The dry bulb temperature is often over 50C in the summer. > just the dramatic downsides don't seem to happen somehow. If you're ignoring when it happens, changing goalposts, interpreting facts to fit your preconceived notions, and dismissing things based on the No True Scotsman fallacy, I could see how you might think that. Meanwhile, the Great Barrier Reef is bleaching so often now it can't recover, extreme weather has become more common, glaciers are retreating, coastal areas are eroding, and on and on. But if you want to keep ignoring what's happening right in front of your eyes, there's nothing I or anyone else can do about it except shake our heads, sigh, and continue to have no hope anything will change.
- adrianN 5y ago
  Once those things have happened, it's way, way too late to stop things from getting worse.
  - firestarter223 5y ago
    There is an infinite number of alarmist scenarios. We can not react to all of them. The argument that it would be too late if some thing x would really happen is not very useful for decision making. For example a meteorite could hit earth and wipe out all life. Clearly we should pour all resources into building space ships.

frereubu 5y ago

> Nothing severe has happened yet. That sounds like the man who jumped off a tall building, and at each foor on the way down was heard to say "so far, so good..."

firestarter223 5y ago
We can not continue listening to the alarmists. There is an infinite number of things that can go wrong. Yet here we still are.
- the_dune_13 5y ago
  > Yet here we still are. By we, you are talking middle to upper income countries not the poor countries in Africa and especially no the islands states in the Pacific. Or maybe you are not one of the relatives of the poor souls were lost in 50C heatwave in Canada last week. If those do not apply to you, sure we are here. Just add, at the moment.
  - firestarter223 5y ago
    Those are also still here (with exception of the heat wave victims, which seem out of place in an affluent country. I would suspect failure of politics/health system. But heat waves have always happened).
- adrianN 5y ago
  We have never listened to alarmists, or the world would be carbon neutral by now.
drewcoo 5y ago
Or the person selling umbrellas to the crowd below.