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Indeed, bad voting systems are not an issue regarding the EU because the EU is not democratic in the first place.

dijit 5y ago
> the EU is not democratic in the first place EU Election system is _literally_ one of the fairest systems in existence[0] ensuring that every party get some measure of proportional representation. Compared to English First Past the Post (minority rule, and 2 party systems) or Scotlands Single-transferrable vote (which is still winner take all); but D'Hondts method means that people can be safe in the knowledge they'll be represented and it's proportional to the input. It's not "perfect" but it's _literally_ the best humans have come up with. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method [0.1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU CGP Grey did some videos on these: FPTP (England): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeB... STV (Scotland): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI&list=PLNCHVwtpeB... D'Hondt-esque (EU): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU&list=PLNCHVwtpeB...
- notriddle 5y ago
  1. The voting system isn’t really important, if the voters themselves are restricted to a chosen few who are themselves elected using inferior methods. 2. Range voting is the best humans have come up with.
- Ieghaehia9 5y ago
  >It's not "perfect" but it's _literally_ the best humans have come up with. Picking nits, but isn't Sainte-Laguë better? Anyway, I think GP was arguing that no matter how fair your voting method, it's of limited use if important concentrations of power are not covered by it.

> the EU is not democratic in the first place EU Election system is _literally_ one of the fairest systems in existence[0] ensuring that every party get some measure of proportional representation. Compared to English First Past the Post (minority rule, and 2 party systems) or Scotlands Single-transferrable vote (which is still winner take all); but D'Hondts method means that people can be safe in the knowledge they'll be represented and it's proportional to the input. It's not "perfect" but it's _literally_ the best humans have come up with. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Hondt_method [0.1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhO6jfHPFQU CGP Grey did some videos on these: FPTP (England): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo&list=PLNCHVwtpeB... STV (Scotland): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=7 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI&list=PLNCHVwtpeB... D'Hondt-esque (EU): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU&list=PLNCHVwtpeBY4mybPkHEnRxSOb7FQ2vF9c&index=3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU&list=PLNCHVwtpeB...

notriddle 5y ago
1. The voting system isn’t really important, if the voters themselves are restricted to a chosen few who are themselves elected using inferior methods. 2. Range voting is the best humans have come up with.
Ieghaehia9 5y ago
>It's not "perfect" but it's _literally_ the best humans have come up with. Picking nits, but isn't Sainte-Laguë better? Anyway, I think GP was arguing that no matter how fair your voting method, it's of limited use if important concentrations of power are not covered by it.