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Why is it always the EU that comes up with these moronic laws and regulations?

nickpp 5y ago
Three reasons: 1) They don't get tech. They are luddites. IT came from the US and they regard it suspiciously because it causes disruption, while EU is all about preserving the status quo and old money. Europe does not appreciate new money, self-made businessmen and entrepreneurship. 2) The two-level government. It should work in theory (after all, EU representatives are directly elected) but in practice it just removes any responsibility from those bureaucrats. 3) West European countries are oriented to the past. They can't innovate and evolve. Their rules and regulations are simply meant to preserve that past and stave off the future bringing all these damn changes. In the end, it's about control. EU is obsessed about controlling its people and is horrified by those it can't control. Because they bring change, something unacceptable to the good old boys of Europe...
- atq2119 5y ago
  That seems a bit too simplistic and extreme. More likely, it's because the EU feels too removed from the people. There are plenty of reasons for that, and we're stuck in the pessimum place where democratic reform of the EU which would help bring it more in line with what people want is prevented because too many people don't like the EU. This is basically what happened with the Treaty of Maastricht, and three decades later the situation has if anything gotten worse.
the-dude 5y ago
As opposed to the US, which just goes ahead and lets the NSA siphon all traffic?
oytis 5y ago
They want to lift some restrictions, not add them. Pretty sure indiscriminate e-mail/chat scanning is already legal in the U.S.
Ragnarork 5y ago
While I'm opposed to this legislation, how is it "always the EU" exactly? As opposed to what, the US or the rest of the world always getting it right or not passing moronic laws and regulations? Have the US already forgotten who's at the helm of the FCC for example? I also suspect there's a lot of hate for GDPR, even though it was a mostly good thing. It's just extremely poorly implemented by websites, and sure there are loopholes that should be plugged (the """legitimate interest"""), but it was a good first step which I'd like to see be developed further and enforced more systematically.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  As opposed to the national EU governments themselves. Why does this idiocy always have to come up at the EU level? The general monitoring that the EU implemented more than a decade ago was also an EU level initiative.

Three reasons: 1) They don't get tech. They are luddites. IT came from the US and they regard it suspiciously because it causes disruption, while EU is all about preserving the status quo and old money. Europe does not appreciate new money, self-made businessmen and entrepreneurship. 2) The two-level government. It should work in theory (after all, EU representatives are directly elected) but in practice it just removes any responsibility from those bureaucrats. 3) West European countries are oriented to the past. They can't innovate and evolve. Their rules and regulations are simply meant to preserve that past and stave off the future bringing all these damn changes. In the end, it's about control. EU is obsessed about controlling its people and is horrified by those it can't control. Because they bring change, something unacceptable to the good old boys of Europe...

atq2119 5y ago
That seems a bit too simplistic and extreme. More likely, it's because the EU feels too removed from the people. There are plenty of reasons for that, and we're stuck in the pessimum place where democratic reform of the EU which would help bring it more in line with what people want is prevented because too many people don't like the EU. This is basically what happened with the Treaty of Maastricht, and three decades later the situation has if anything gotten worse.

the-dude 5y ago

As opposed to the US, which just goes ahead and lets the NSA siphon all traffic?

oytis 5y ago

They want to lift some restrictions, not add them. Pretty sure indiscriminate e-mail/chat scanning is already legal in the U.S.

Ragnarork 5y ago

While I'm opposed to this legislation, how is it "always the EU" exactly? As opposed to what, the US or the rest of the world always getting it right or not passing moronic laws and regulations? Have the US already forgotten who's at the helm of the FCC for example? I also suspect there's a lot of hate for GDPR, even though it was a mostly good thing. It's just extremely poorly implemented by websites, and sure there are loopholes that should be plugged (the """legitimate interest"""), but it was a good first step which I'd like to see be developed further and enforced more systematically.

Aerroon 5y ago
As opposed to the national EU governments themselves. Why does this idiocy always have to come up at the EU level? The general monitoring that the EU implemented more than a decade ago was also an EU level initiative.