> > Language shapes reality, > Sorry I have disagree on this one. I don't think language shapes reality. It definitely shapes our perception, filters, and bias

> > Language shapes reality, > Sorry I have disagree on this one. I don't think language shapes reality. It definitely shapes our perception, filters, and biases but shapes reality only in a very Probabilistic graphical model sense. And even then it shapes(as in cavemen---> civilization) reality as much as say, air shapes reality, mathematical formulae and theories shape reality . Sorry if it's not clear: I'm not trying to say what's true, despite having opinions on the subject; I'm interested in best arguments. What I think the implications are in assuming that gender is as much state-of-mind as state-of-body (if not more) is two-fold: 1. The body really does matter. It's inconsistent to say that the body has to align with the mind if the body doesn't matter. Surgical and hormonal intervention make no sense if the mind and the body aren't somehow connected in a very deep way. 2. The desire for pronoun usage is more, too, than mere courtesy, but the desire for consensus on reality. If I'm a woman trapped in a man's body or have no particular gender, when I ask someone to use pronouns of my preference I am actually asking them to make a statement about what is real and true. This implies in no small way that language shapes and makes reality in some nontrivial way.