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I wonder why VSCode is at least name-dropped in these Python setup tutorials lately. VSCode is spying on you and sending back "telemetry" data. Given the curre

by rwmark 5y ago

I wonder why VSCode is at least name-dropped in these Python setup tutorials lately. VSCode is spying on you and sending back "telemetry" data. Given the current situation in Python, where there is little development, the old boys have totalitarian control, and new contributors are smart enough to avoid that mess: Try out Rust, Go, Elixir or Lua instead. It might save you a lot of trouble. Heck, if you are willing to put in a lot of time to create carefully written objects, C++11 code can look a lot like Python (if you are into that).

hetspookjee 5y ago
My experience is also that PyCharm is much more pleasureable to work with and on a safer side. I checked 1.5 year ago, so could be changed, for remote development on a server and had to download some 3rd party Rsync tools to be able to do so. For PyCharm is just works out of the box with a professional license.
- rwmark 5y ago
  Indeed, anything but VSCode: "What data is collected. The GitHub Copilot collects activity from the user's Visual Studio Code editor, tied to a timestamp, and metadata." PyCharm, Emacs, Vim, are all better and don't spy.
  - excitednumber 5y ago
    I came here to read this.
  - btdmaster 5y ago
    PyCharm has similarly bad privacy: https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/privacy.html https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/privacy.html. I'm really happy though that I learned to use Emacs, really useful and language independent.
- 0x008 5y ago
  VS Code experience has definitely improved a LOT in the past 1.5 years with the new python language server (pylance) and remote development being improved quite a bot. We use it daily in production in my company with almost zero problems so far.
bpicolo 5y ago
They've invested a ton into Python support in VSCode in recent years. It's really good. The language server Microsoft built for type checking and completion (https://github.com/microsoft/pyright https://github.com/microsoft/pyright) is excellent. It makes Python feel like a first-class statically typed language, which isn't something I was able to replicate in Pycharm (tried this very recently). Meanwhile, it's just baked into VSCode, no configuration needed. I use Jetbrains tools for several languages, but for Python and frontend (Typescript with React/Vue/Angular) VSCode is hitting the perfect notes.
- Daynil 5y ago
  I haven't touched Python in years, and just recently came back to it. I was very pleasantly surprised to see just how much Microsoft has improved the tooling in VSCode with the recent update (https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/05/11/vscode-python-may21.aspx https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/05/11/vscode-...). I've only tinkered with it a bit, but it feels on par with the JS/TS experience in VSCode, which is surprising since those are native and have a more robust static types community.
amrox 5y ago
C++ will not save you any trouble over python. It’s tooling and package management is significantly more complex.

by rwmark 5y ago

hetspookjee 5y ago

My experience is also that PyCharm is much more pleasureable to work with and on a safer side. I checked 1.5 year ago, so could be changed, for remote development on a server and had to download some 3rd party Rsync tools to be able to do so. For PyCharm is just works out of the box with a professional license.

rwmark 5y ago
Indeed, anything but VSCode: "What data is collected. The GitHub Copilot collects activity from the user's Visual Studio Code editor, tied to a timestamp, and metadata." PyCharm, Emacs, Vim, are all better and don't spy.
- excitednumber 5y ago
  I came here to read this.
- btdmaster 5y ago
  PyCharm has similarly bad privacy: https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/privacy.html https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/privacy/privacy.html. I'm really happy though that I learned to use Emacs, really useful and language independent.
0x008 5y ago
VS Code experience has definitely improved a LOT in the past 1.5 years with the new python language server (pylance) and remote development being improved quite a bot. We use it daily in production in my company with almost zero problems so far.

bpicolo 5y ago

They've invested a ton into Python support in VSCode in recent years. It's really good. The language server Microsoft built for type checking and completion (https://github.com/microsoft/pyright https://github.com/microsoft/pyright) is excellent. It makes Python feel like a first-class statically typed language, which isn't something I was able to replicate in Pycharm (tried this very recently). Meanwhile, it's just baked into VSCode, no configuration needed. I use Jetbrains tools for several languages, but for Python and frontend (Typescript with React/Vue/Angular) VSCode is hitting the perfect notes.

Daynil 5y ago
I haven't touched Python in years, and just recently came back to it. I was very pleasantly surprised to see just how much Microsoft has improved the tooling in VSCode with the recent update (https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/05/11/vscode-python-may21.aspx https://visualstudiomagazine.com/articles/2021/05/11/vscode-...). I've only tinkered with it a bit, but it feels on par with the JS/TS experience in VSCode, which is surprising since those are native and have a more robust static types community.

amrox 5y ago

C++ will not save you any trouble over python. It’s tooling and package management is significantly more complex.