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These are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he d

These are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he delivers.

alephnan 5y ago
I get the angle you’re coming from, but the Google interview is more mechanical and rubric driven It tries to avoid making biased or personal assessments about people in order to be inclusive. Obviously major red flags or cheating will be noted, but you don’t want to assume someone is an a*hole just because they are matter-of-fact ( IMO, there’s a thin line between the two ) and you have different communication styles
- tolbish 5y ago
  If you cling to a mechanical interview process then you're more or less intentionally selecting for those craven enough to game mechanics.
  - alephnan 5y ago
    Additionally, it attracts those who are pedigree driven and proud about their school ranking. It seems the solution is to have a real world pair programming or collaboration where there is areas to disagree, debate, compromise on. Algorithmic Interviews that have a clear right/wrong answer leaves little room for personal opinion
ma2rten 5y ago
I completely disagree I think that those people are extremely hard to identify, because they are able and willing to game the interview process. I also don't think that people like that deliver positive value to the company.
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- alephnan 5y ago
  Maybe at systemic level it’s hard to train employees to identify, but I’d like to believe I have a decent intuition of assessing character ( this goes back to the problem of personal biases tho ) Obviously there are cultural differences, where an article that was trending on HackerNews was how Russians don’t smile as much.
underwater 5y ago
They say that a true narcicist is easy to spot, because they're not trying to hide their behaviours. In plenty of interviews I've had the "this person seems difficult to work with" vibe. In the few situations where I've hired that person, the reality has been much worse than I expected.

These are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he delivers.

alephnan 5y ago

I get the angle you’re coming from, but the Google interview is more mechanical and rubric driven It tries to avoid making biased or personal assessments about people in order to be inclusive. Obviously major red flags or cheating will be noted, but you don’t want to assume someone is an a*hole just because they are matter-of-fact ( IMO, there’s a thin line between the two ) and you have different communication styles

tolbish 5y ago
If you cling to a mechanical interview process then you're more or less intentionally selecting for those craven enough to game mechanics.
- alephnan 5y ago
  Additionally, it attracts those who are pedigree driven and proud about their school ranking. It seems the solution is to have a real world pair programming or collaboration where there is areas to disagree, debate, compromise on. Algorithmic Interviews that have a clear right/wrong answer leaves little room for personal opinion

ma2rten 5y ago

I completely disagree I think that those people are extremely hard to identify, because they are able and willing to game the interview process. I also don't think that people like that deliver positive value to the company.

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alephnan 5y ago
Maybe at systemic level it’s hard to train employees to identify, but I’d like to believe I have a decent intuition of assessing character ( this goes back to the problem of personal biases tho ) Obviously there are cultural differences, where an article that was trending on HackerNews was how Russians don’t smile as much.

underwater 5y ago

They say that a true narcicist is easy to spot, because they're not trying to hide their behaviours. In plenty of interviews I've had the "this person seems difficult to work with" vibe. In the few situations where I've hired that person, the reality has been much worse than I expected.