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How can companies like Google change their hiring process and avoid toxic engineers like this? I’m sure he did well on the Leetcode interviews and even accelera
by alephnan 5y ago
How can companies like Google change their hiring process and avoid toxic engineers like this? I’m sure he did well on the Leetcode interviews and even accelerated up the engineer ladder relatively quickly by “playing by the rules”
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- MikeTheGreat 5y agoIf there's one thing that I learned from Slashdot, it's to NOT click on links like this :)
- tolbish 5y agoThese are not incredibly hard traits to identify upon talking with people. The problem is when you willingly dance with the devil because of how much value he delivers.
- alephnan 5y agoI get the angle you’re coming from, but the Google interview is more mechanical and rubric driven It tries to avoid making biased or personal assessments about people in order to be inclusive. Obviously major red flags or cheating will be noted, but you don’t want to assume someone is an a*hole just because they are matter-of-fact ( IMO, there’s a thin line between the two ) and you have different communication styles
- tolbish 5y agoIf you cling to a mechanical interview process then you're more or less intentionally selecting for those craven enough to game mechanics.
- alephnan 5y agoAdditionally, it attracts those who are pedigree driven and proud about their school ranking. It seems the solution is to have a real world pair programming or collaboration where there is areas to disagree, debate, compromise on. Algorithmic Interviews that have a clear right/wrong answer leaves little room for personal opinion
- ma2rten 5y agoI completely disagree I think that those people are extremely hard to identify, because they are able and willing to game the interview process. I also don't think that people like that deliver positive value to the company.
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- alephnan 5y agoMaybe at systemic level it’s hard to train employees to identify, but I’d like to believe I have a decent intuition of assessing character ( this goes back to the problem of personal biases tho ) Obviously there are cultural differences, where an article that was trending on HackerNews was how Russians don’t smile as much.
- underwater 5y agoThey say that a true narcicist is easy to spot, because they're not trying to hide their behaviours. In plenty of interviews I've had the "this person seems difficult to work with" vibe. In the few situations where I've hired that person, the reality has been much worse than I expected.
- MattGaiser 5y agoWas he a toxic engineer while at Google? People being jerks may only manifest in certain environments.
- alephnan 5y ago> People being jerks may only manifest in certain environments That’s true. But I’ve met jerky people who feel secure about their tenure , or secure that people are too nice to call them out (Google’s not the most confrontational place, everyone has a cushy job), irregardless of the environment. If those people are comfortable doing in that environment, it’s not unlikely that TechLead’s character is very much real
- Apocryphon 5y agoHe got early into the app boom and made a ton of money selling his mobile games, which definitely gave him the credibility to enter FAANG. https://guruscoach.com/techlead-patrick-shyu/#Making_over_a_Million_Dollar_from_Apps https://guruscoach.com/techlead-patrick-shyu/#Making_over_a_...
- tradertef 5y agoHe is perfectly fine person. I don't think he is "toxic". When someone has different opinion on certain thinks, it does not make them toxic.