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Highly recommend CoffeeZilla (Youtube): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw He ha

by bArray 5y ago

Highly recommend CoffeeZilla (Youtube): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFQMnBA3CS502aghlcr0_aw He has a very good video recently on a scam being run by influencers and provides some pretty damning evidence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv6ne6VQCZI

godmode2019 5y ago
If you are familiar with the term 'Drama channels', they are a very toxic genre where the group finds a target and gives their opinion about the alleged offences. All good and well except they started to create the drama and their fans would dogpile on people or as twitter would describe 'Targeted harassment campaigns'. CoffeeZilla is a drama channel often with dubious opinion driven videos. There a few other drama channels in the professional world but I won't give them spotlight.
- Apocryphon 5y ago
  Nah, scam debunking is a good and fun genre. There are so many YouTube ads promising so many false get rich quick schemes that it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Exposing the affiliate marketing, fake guru, forex, dropshipping, class hustling frauds of social media is an entertaining public service.
  - godmode2019 5y ago
    Sure, but where is the line between bad first product and being a scammer. As a dev my first products are generally pretty average and my prices are high to filter to people that actually want the solution I'm selling. My opinions is being a scammer you have the intention to take someone's money with out delivering any marketed value. So there is the problem who can comment on someone intention. I remember when coffeezila went after a youtuber who created a course. It was his first course but he sold 2 millions worth, everyone's first course sucks, he was unlucky enough to have a lot of people buy his first product. Then be labeled a scammer by drama channels because it wasn't university quality content. These people are producing nothing themselves just amplifying problems in other people.
    - Apocryphon 5y ago
      Coffeezilla himself has become a brand and puts out a ton of content, some I’m sure of dubious accuracy. But overall it’s pretty damn easy to tell whether or not these YouTube ad classes, not unlike the late night infomercials of yesteryear, are selling a fake bill of goods. Many use obviously fraudulent tactics. They don’t peddle dev courses but obvious get rich quick schemes. Drama channels are the closest thing to muckrakers or even regulators in our deregulated scam-spam choked internet. I shed no tears for someone who made $2m from a bad course whether the quality was intentional or not. He can go cry in Tai Lopez’s garage.
- BrissyCoder 5y ago
  Sounds like something a scammer would say tbh.
  - godmode2019 5y ago
    It's the same argument as for profit prison systems. While you are doing a social good by keeping violent offenders behind bars you also have a profit motive to ensure you have a stready stream of working entering the system to keep up with contracts and order quantity. Leading to many prisons being nothing more than forced labour camps. In the same way, drama channels start out doing a social good. But they have a profit motive to find 'problematic' people, were the bar is lowered to ensure you have enough content. You are basically punishing trying, raising the risks of failing to the level of social outcast. Most of the obvious scams are obviously scams. So at what point do drama channels provide any more value than entertainment, when anyone can clearly see you are not going to make a million dollars drop shipping toasters. Now their is the grey area, where its uncertain if a product is a scam. Talking about it is fine, but that's not how drama channels work. They make black and white claims, more often black because sensational content sells. Let's not confuse things, these channels are for entertainment not social good. I my girlfriend watches drama channels and I watched curiously as each and every successful female pop culture channel was targeted and brought down for being 'problematic'. I thought it was funny at first because they participated in the system that brought them down. Then I realised these channels were a form of social policing were after you remove the threat, the treashold for normal behaviour is lowered until you became the target of the mob. I later figured out its envy that drives these channels, its entertaining to people to watch others fall from grace.
BrissyCoder 5y ago
This is my favorite YT channel atm. His video on Tether is excellent. There's also an episode of him on the Jordan Harbinger podcast that is worth a listen.

by bArray 5y ago

godmode2019 5y ago

If you are familiar with the term 'Drama channels', they are a very toxic genre where the group finds a target and gives their opinion about the alleged offences. All good and well except they started to create the drama and their fans would dogpile on people or as twitter would describe 'Targeted harassment campaigns'. CoffeeZilla is a drama channel often with dubious opinion driven videos. There a few other drama channels in the professional world but I won't give them spotlight.

Apocryphon 5y ago
Nah, scam debunking is a good and fun genre. There are so many YouTube ads promising so many false get rich quick schemes that it’s shooting fish in a barrel. Exposing the affiliate marketing, fake guru, forex, dropshipping, class hustling frauds of social media is an entertaining public service.
- godmode2019 5y ago
  Sure, but where is the line between bad first product and being a scammer. As a dev my first products are generally pretty average and my prices are high to filter to people that actually want the solution I'm selling. My opinions is being a scammer you have the intention to take someone's money with out delivering any marketed value. So there is the problem who can comment on someone intention. I remember when coffeezila went after a youtuber who created a course. It was his first course but he sold 2 millions worth, everyone's first course sucks, he was unlucky enough to have a lot of people buy his first product. Then be labeled a scammer by drama channels because it wasn't university quality content. These people are producing nothing themselves just amplifying problems in other people.
  - Apocryphon 5y ago
    Coffeezilla himself has become a brand and puts out a ton of content, some I’m sure of dubious accuracy. But overall it’s pretty damn easy to tell whether or not these YouTube ad classes, not unlike the late night infomercials of yesteryear, are selling a fake bill of goods. Many use obviously fraudulent tactics. They don’t peddle dev courses but obvious get rich quick schemes. Drama channels are the closest thing to muckrakers or even regulators in our deregulated scam-spam choked internet. I shed no tears for someone who made $2m from a bad course whether the quality was intentional or not. He can go cry in Tai Lopez’s garage.
BrissyCoder 5y ago
Sounds like something a scammer would say tbh.
- godmode2019 5y ago
  It's the same argument as for profit prison systems. While you are doing a social good by keeping violent offenders behind bars you also have a profit motive to ensure you have a stready stream of working entering the system to keep up with contracts and order quantity. Leading to many prisons being nothing more than forced labour camps. In the same way, drama channels start out doing a social good. But they have a profit motive to find 'problematic' people, were the bar is lowered to ensure you have enough content. You are basically punishing trying, raising the risks of failing to the level of social outcast. Most of the obvious scams are obviously scams. So at what point do drama channels provide any more value than entertainment, when anyone can clearly see you are not going to make a million dollars drop shipping toasters. Now their is the grey area, where its uncertain if a product is a scam. Talking about it is fine, but that's not how drama channels work. They make black and white claims, more often black because sensational content sells. Let's not confuse things, these channels are for entertainment not social good. I my girlfriend watches drama channels and I watched curiously as each and every successful female pop culture channel was targeted and brought down for being 'problematic'. I thought it was funny at first because they participated in the system that brought them down. Then I realised these channels were a form of social policing were after you remove the threat, the treashold for normal behaviour is lowered until you became the target of the mob. I later figured out its envy that drives these channels, its entertaining to people to watch others fall from grace.

BrissyCoder 5y ago

This is my favorite YT channel atm. His video on Tether is excellent. There's also an episode of him on the Jordan Harbinger podcast that is worth a listen.