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Because the taxpayer is on the hook for their misdeeds.

by thrill 5y ago

throwaway984393 5y ago
Why should that make them easier to fire? Aside from children and people who make less than $12K a year, most people in the country are (or were) taxpayers. There are other non-public jobs which, if the employee doesn't do their job, someone is on the hook for their misdeeds. Since most people are (or were) taxpayers, the people on the hook for private employees are also taxpayers. Therefore, all people who are on the hook for any employee's misdeeds, are taxpayers. Taxpayers are on the hook for any employee's misdeeds. But you want to hold public employees more responsible than private. Why?
- underseacables 5y ago
  Consider the contrapositive, why shouldn’t it be easier to fire a public employee? Why do they get more protections than anyone else? I get a strong impression you might not be American, or at the very least may not understand the significant advantage being a government employee gets you. A government employee can sexually harassed someone, commit minor crimes, steal, and they are for bidden from being fired. Anyone else would be fired. No I recognize your throwaway account, so I don’t know if you’re a troll or you’re actually serious, but I encourage you to think carefully and once again consider why should employees in the public trust be given greater protections than the private? This is not a debate of whether they should have it or not, they do have it, and whether it’s severe tax delinquency, crimes committed, or even theft of public property, they cannot be fired.
  - throwaway984393 5y ago
    > A government employee can sexually harassed someone, commit minor crimes, steal, and they are for bidden from being fired. If they're a union employee and they're protected by the union. There are government employees that aren't in unions, and there are private sector employees who are in unions. So again, why hold only public sector employees more responsible? > consider why should employees in the public trust be given greater protections than the private? Well first of all, the employees we're talking about aren't in the public trust. The public trust refers to elected officials (or that some resources are being held for use by the public). You don't elect teachers; they're hired by the school, given too little resources, too many students, too much work to do, put at risk daily, and then we threaten to fire them quicker than we'd fire a hedge fund manager who stole 500 billion dollars of the public's money. Second, we're not talking about whether they get more trust, we're talking about whether or not they should get higher penalties than private-sector employees. You're conflating the two because you don't like the fact that government union workers are protected, which is actually a third thing: 1) should government workers in the public trust get more protections than the private (that depends), 2) why can government workers not get fired easily (because they're in a union, not because they're govt workers), 3) government workers should be fired more easily than private-sector workers (...why?).

Because the taxpayer is on the hook for their misdeeds.

by thrill 5y ago

Because the taxpayer is on the hook for their misdeeds.

Why should that make them easier to fire? Aside from children and people who make less than $12K a year, most people in the country are (or were) taxpayers. There are other non-public jobs which, if the employee doesn't do their job, someone is on the hook for their misdeeds. Since most people are (or were) taxpayers, the people on the hook for private employees are also taxpayers. Therefore, all people who are on the hook for any employee's misdeeds, are taxpayers. Taxpayers are on the hook for any employee's misdeeds. But you want to hold public employees more responsible than private. Why?

underseacables 5y ago
Consider the contrapositive, why shouldn’t it be easier to fire a public employee? Why do they get more protections than anyone else? I get a strong impression you might not be American, or at the very least may not understand the significant advantage being a government employee gets you. A government employee can sexually harassed someone, commit minor crimes, steal, and they are for bidden from being fired. Anyone else would be fired. No I recognize your throwaway account, so I don’t know if you’re a troll or you’re actually serious, but I encourage you to think carefully and once again consider why should employees in the public trust be given greater protections than the private? This is not a debate of whether they should have it or not, they do have it, and whether it’s severe tax delinquency, crimes committed, or even theft of public property, they cannot be fired.
- throwaway984393 5y ago
  > A government employee can sexually harassed someone, commit minor crimes, steal, and they are for bidden from being fired. If they're a union employee and they're protected by the union. There are government employees that aren't in unions, and there are private sector employees who are in unions. So again, why hold only public sector employees more responsible? > consider why should employees in the public trust be given greater protections than the private? Well first of all, the employees we're talking about aren't in the public trust. The public trust refers to elected officials (or that some resources are being held for use by the public). You don't elect teachers; they're hired by the school, given too little resources, too many students, too much work to do, put at risk daily, and then we threaten to fire them quicker than we'd fire a hedge fund manager who stole 500 billion dollars of the public's money. Second, we're not talking about whether they get more trust, we're talking about whether or not they should get higher penalties than private-sector employees. You're conflating the two because you don't like the fact that government union workers are protected, which is actually a third thing: 1) should government workers in the public trust get more protections than the private (that depends), 2) why can government workers not get fired easily (because they're in a union, not because they're govt workers), 3) government workers should be fired more easily than private-sector workers (...why?).