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You're in the military and you can't call "Bill" in for a meeting? This is not how I picture the military. I was under the impression push comes to shove, if yo

You're in the military and you can't call "Bill" in for a meeting? This is not how I picture the military. I was under the impression push comes to shove, if your superior says you have to be somewhere, you _will_ be there, regardless of what its for.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago
Yeah, odd idea.. do they also stop shooting at the enemy at 17:00:01, because "Sorry boss, I'm off the clock?"
- tbihl 5y ago
  I dont know how deeply sarcastic this is, but peacetime military does not function like in war, with the disparity being proportional to how far away a unit's peacetime routine diverges from war.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Sometimes... [1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/no-more-9-to-5_swiss-air-force-gears-up-for-24-7-service/41889752 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/no-more-9-to-5_swiss... ;->
BayAreaEscapee 5y ago
Yes, I had that impression too. If my memory is right, that's how Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controllers' strike: many of them were military reserve members, and so Reagan fired them as civilians and then recalled them to active military service where they were subject to the UMCJ.
- MaxBarraclough 5y ago
  Looking at Wikipedia, I don't think that's right. Even civilian ATC had no right to strike. Reagan highlighted their oath not to strike, threatened to fire anyone who continued to strike, and then did so, dismissing over 11,000 controllers and banning them from future ATC work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...
sandworm101 5y ago
In reality there are far fewer "orders" given in the military than in the civilian world. That ability is held in reserve. When people are stationed in places they might not want to be, often away from family, they dont want to hear direct orders on a daily basis. And remember too that everyone has multiple bosses. If everyone throws around direct orders then soon order A will conflicts with order B and the system starts to break down. They best way to keep everyone's respect is to issue as few direct orders as possible, and then only after extensive consultation with impacted parties.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

Yeah, odd idea.. do they also stop shooting at the enemy at 17:00:01, because "Sorry boss, I'm off the clock?"

tbihl 5y ago
I dont know how deeply sarcastic this is, but peacetime military does not function like in war, with the disparity being proportional to how far away a unit's peacetime routine diverges from war.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Sometimes... [1] https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/no-more-9-to-5_swiss-air-force-gears-up-for-24-7-service/41889752 https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimedia/no-more-9-to-5_swiss... ;->

BayAreaEscapee 5y ago

Yes, I had that impression too. If my memory is right, that's how Reagan broke the Air Traffic Controllers' strike: many of them were military reserve members, and so Reagan fired them as civilians and then recalled them to active military service where they were subject to the UMCJ.

MaxBarraclough 5y ago
Looking at Wikipedia, I don't think that's right. Even civilian ATC had no right to strike. Reagan highlighted their oath not to strike, threatened to fire anyone who continued to strike, and then did so, dismissing over 11,000 controllers and banning them from future ATC work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Contr...

sandworm101 5y ago

In reality there are far fewer "orders" given in the military than in the civilian world. That ability is held in reserve. When people are stationed in places they might not want to be, often away from family, they dont want to hear direct orders on a daily basis. And remember too that everyone has multiple bosses. If everyone throws around direct orders then soon order A will conflicts with order B and the system starts to break down. They best way to keep everyone's respect is to issue as few direct orders as possible, and then only after extensive consultation with impacted parties.