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We totally agree that many of these things are, indeed, illegal. But if that's the case, then at some point a society is also going to need to consider how it'

We totally agree that many of these things are, indeed, illegal. But if that's the case, then at some point a society is also going to need to consider how it's going to also address the distributing of those things which are illegal. (If something can still really be disseminated to a billion people -- then what was the point of even making it illegal in the first place?) For decades and decades all publishers have been responsible for the content they publish. (See libel laws, just for example.) So it just seems irresponsible to now concede the existence of vast unpatrolled online empires making billions of dollars while simultaneously creating dangerous (and illegal) situations which others will then need to police for them.

thegrimmest 5y ago
> We totally agree that many of these things are, indeed, illegal. Good! Then we don't need any new laws or policy changes. We just need to empower law enforcement to do their jobs. As I've mentioned, they seem pretty empowered already. Publishers indeed have been responsible for content. Sites like Instagram or Pinterest are hardly publishers however, they're more akin to the bulletin boards that used to be ubiquitous in public places (With Pinterest it's literally in the name). Anyone can post whatever they want without any editorial process. If someone posted a murder contract on such a bulletin board, would the board owner (say your local grocery store) be responsible? Hardly. Vast unpatrolled online empires where people can say whatever they want sounds pretty good to me actually. It's freedom of speech in action. Anything actually illegal or really dangerous is policed pretty well (say compared to TOR, and even there criminals are not immune). Otherwise just leave people be. No one "creates a dangerous situation" just by saying something online. It takes more than that.
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thegrimmest 5y ago

> We totally agree that many of these things are, indeed, illegal. Good! Then we don't need any new laws or policy changes. We just need to empower law enforcement to do their jobs. As I've mentioned, they seem pretty empowered already. Publishers indeed have been responsible for content. Sites like Instagram or Pinterest are hardly publishers however, they're more akin to the bulletin boards that used to be ubiquitous in public places (With Pinterest it's literally in the name). Anyone can post whatever they want without any editorial process. If someone posted a murder contract on such a bulletin board, would the board owner (say your local grocery store) be responsible? Hardly. Vast unpatrolled online empires where people can say whatever they want sounds pretty good to me actually. It's freedom of speech in action. Anything actually illegal or really dangerous is policed pretty well (say compared to TOR, and even there criminals are not immune). Otherwise just leave people be. No one "creates a dangerous situation" just by saying something online. It takes more than that.

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