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My gut feeling is that this post is going to be flagged very quickly. It's one of the issues that is dividing America right now and there is no chance a consens

My gut feeling is that this post is going to be flagged very quickly. It's one of the issues that is dividing America right now and there is no chance a consensus is going to be reached during a discussion on HN. Even though this particular event is new, the phenomenon itself is not, and so far nobody has found a good solution.

clarkmoody 5y ago
You are correct. There is not a political solution to this problem.
- readflaggedcomm 5y ago
  Is enforcing laws not a political solution? Edit: No responses, just moderation. It is a political solution, like I thought.
tpmx 5y ago
I agree that it's probably going to get flagged, but unjust flaggings can be undone by the site's moderators. I have found them to be surprisingly quick to respond via email, even during weekends. The email address can be found at the bottom of this page.
jeroenhd 5y ago
I'm not sure I understand. How is the rampant crime wave in SF a matter that divides people? I don't think there's a significant amount of Americans who believe that shoplifting is acceptable, is there?
- b9a2cab5 5y ago
  You'd be surprised if you've ever talked to any left-wing (and I mean actually left-wing, not what Fox News calls left-wing) people. To shoplift from big stores is to "fight the corporate power". This demographic is particularly pronounced in the Bay Area. My personal experience has been that most of them also came from fairly wealthy families and have never experienced actual crime.
- jeremy_wiebe 5y ago
  During the recent protests this past year it seems that there were quite a number of people (including members of the press and politicians) who had no problems with theft and vandalism if done for the right reason(s).
- happytoexplain 5y ago
  Have you read this thread? The division isn't about pro-crime vs anti-crime, obviously. It's about blaming people based on their politics, which, while not always wrong in theory, in practice is the most common dividing line and source of hostile noise. E.g. "San Francisco, collectively, is just not that smart" (because of how they vote).
- walkedaway 5y ago
  The entire reason SF is having this problem is that the majority of the city believe shoplifting is fine based on their voting patterns the last few decades. https://www.dailywire.com/news/cbs-anchor-muses-if-famed-walgreens-shoplifter-is-probably-getting-something-you-need-an-act-of-desperation https://www.dailywire.com/news/cbs-anchor-muses-if-famed-wal...

clarkmoody 5y ago

You are correct. There is not a political solution to this problem.

readflaggedcomm 5y ago
Is enforcing laws not a political solution? Edit: No responses, just moderation. It is a political solution, like I thought.

tpmx 5y ago

I agree that it's probably going to get flagged, but unjust flaggings can be undone by the site's moderators. I have found them to be surprisingly quick to respond via email, even during weekends. The email address can be found at the bottom of this page.

jeroenhd 5y ago

I'm not sure I understand. How is the rampant crime wave in SF a matter that divides people? I don't think there's a significant amount of Americans who believe that shoplifting is acceptable, is there?

b9a2cab5 5y ago
You'd be surprised if you've ever talked to any left-wing (and I mean actually left-wing, not what Fox News calls left-wing) people. To shoplift from big stores is to "fight the corporate power". This demographic is particularly pronounced in the Bay Area. My personal experience has been that most of them also came from fairly wealthy families and have never experienced actual crime.
jeremy_wiebe 5y ago
During the recent protests this past year it seems that there were quite a number of people (including members of the press and politicians) who had no problems with theft and vandalism if done for the right reason(s).
happytoexplain 5y ago
Have you read this thread? The division isn't about pro-crime vs anti-crime, obviously. It's about blaming people based on their politics, which, while not always wrong in theory, in practice is the most common dividing line and source of hostile noise. E.g. "San Francisco, collectively, is just not that smart" (because of how they vote).
walkedaway 5y ago
The entire reason SF is having this problem is that the majority of the city believe shoplifting is fine based on their voting patterns the last few decades. https://www.dailywire.com/news/cbs-anchor-muses-if-famed-walgreens-shoplifter-is-probably-getting-something-you-need-an-act-of-desperation https://www.dailywire.com/news/cbs-anchor-muses-if-famed-wal...