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I mean, you don't _have_ to install another marketplace for apps.

chomp 5y ago
I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired”. Or if someone gets a hold of my phone and now I have a brand new app with all permissions installed. Having the ability to side load gives the ability to people to coerce you into installing things that wouldn’t fly under a single root model. I do not feel that computing is headed to a good place in terms of privacy and I feel like giving the Googles, Facebooks, and spyware companies more levers to pull is going in the wrong direction. (Well, maybe the right direction under normal circumstances if the tech industry was more ethical)
- marderfarker2 5y ago
  Just recently my company’s HR forced us to download a payroll vendor’s app on our phones. The app was downloaded from the App Store.
  - extra88 5y ago
    Because it’s from the Apple App Store, you can be reasonably sure it does what it says and isn’t monitoring your communications. You can also use permissions to deny it things like background app refresh or location data.
    - celsoazevedo 5y ago
      No review from Apple is a downside, but I doubt iOS' system permissions are tied to the App Store. On Android (and Windows/macOS, to a certain extent), the OS asks you if you let <app> access/use <feature> independently of how the app was installed. Also, can apps monitor your communications on iOS? On Android you can replace the apps that control calls, sms, etc, but that wasn't possible on iOS last time I used it.
      - extra88 5y ago
        To be honest, I don’t know what an app literally can’t do on an iOS device (or Android device), regardless of how it gets there. I expect there are private APIs that could be exploited to do things an app otherwise couldn’t do that could be against the user’s interests.
        celsoazevedo 5y ago
        Apps on iOS and Android run inside a sandbox. If Apple allows apps to bypass the sandbox like that, then iOS isn't very secure/private. I know there are downsides if they allow sideloading, but iOS is very restrictive and Apple would still control iOS. They can add more restrictions and fix flaws if needed.
- ginko 5y ago
  >I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired” Tell your employer to give you a work phone then. No way I'm going to install work-related sw on a private device.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  If you are being abused by your employer, and you want the rest of society to help, the way to do that is though employment law, and not through taking away rights from the rest of us and giving them to Apple
- celsoazevedo 5y ago
  > Or if someone gets a hold of my phone and now I have a brand new app with all permissions installed. System permissions aren't tied to the App Store as far as I know (same on Android). You still need to give apps permission to access your camera, mic, location, etc. While allowing sideloading would bypass Apple's review process (which can be bad), if someone has that type of access to your phone, there's nothing stopping them from installing tracking/spyware apps from the App Store right now.
- northwest65 5y ago
  >install this app or you’re fired What sort of backward country do you live in where that's even remotely legal?
- ThatPlayer 5y ago
  >it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired” Employers can already sideload through MDM. If anything MDM will give them more control than just an app.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired”. Employers have enterprise certificates and ability to install custom apps on both iOS and Android, and they can do so while bypassing their respective app stores.

I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired”. Or if someone gets a hold of my phone and now I have a brand new app with all permissions installed. Having the ability to side load gives the ability to people to coerce you into installing things that wouldn’t fly under a single root model. I do not feel that computing is headed to a good place in terms of privacy and I feel like giving the Googles, Facebooks, and spyware companies more levers to pull is going in the wrong direction. (Well, maybe the right direction under normal circumstances if the tech industry was more ethical)

marderfarker2 5y ago
Just recently my company’s HR forced us to download a payroll vendor’s app on our phones. The app was downloaded from the App Store.
- extra88 5y ago
  Because it’s from the Apple App Store, you can be reasonably sure it does what it says and isn’t monitoring your communications. You can also use permissions to deny it things like background app refresh or location data.
  - celsoazevedo 5y ago
    No review from Apple is a downside, but I doubt iOS' system permissions are tied to the App Store. On Android (and Windows/macOS, to a certain extent), the OS asks you if you let <app> access/use <feature> independently of how the app was installed. Also, can apps monitor your communications on iOS? On Android you can replace the apps that control calls, sms, etc, but that wasn't possible on iOS last time I used it.
    - extra88 5y ago
      To be honest, I don’t know what an app literally can’t do on an iOS device (or Android device), regardless of how it gets there. I expect there are private APIs that could be exploited to do things an app otherwise couldn’t do that could be against the user’s interests.
      - celsoazevedo 5y ago
        Apps on iOS and Android run inside a sandbox. If Apple allows apps to bypass the sandbox like that, then iOS isn't very secure/private. I know there are downsides if they allow sideloading, but iOS is very restrictive and Apple would still control iOS. They can add more restrictions and fix flaws if needed.
ginko 5y ago
>I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired” Tell your employer to give you a work phone then. No way I'm going to install work-related sw on a private device.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
If you are being abused by your employer, and you want the rest of society to help, the way to do that is though employment law, and not through taking away rights from the rest of us and giving them to Apple
celsoazevedo 5y ago
> Or if someone gets a hold of my phone and now I have a brand new app with all permissions installed. System permissions aren't tied to the App Store as far as I know (same on Android). You still need to give apps permission to access your camera, mic, location, etc. While allowing sideloading would bypass Apple's review process (which can be bad), if someone has that type of access to your phone, there's nothing stopping them from installing tracking/spyware apps from the App Store right now.
northwest65 5y ago
>install this app or you’re fired What sort of backward country do you live in where that's even remotely legal?
ThatPlayer 5y ago
>it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired” Employers can already sideload through MDM. If anything MDM will give them more control than just an app.
heavyset_go 5y ago
> I do not want the option to install other apps, because it gives me plausible deniability when my employer or someone is like “install this app or you’re fired”. Employers have enterprise certificates and ability to install custom apps on both iOS and Android, and they can do so while bypassing their respective app stores.