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It's worth to mention that there were Soviet attempts to build such systems, see OGAS [1] which was led by mathematician Victor Glushkov [2]. The remarkable fac

It's worth to mention that there were Soviet attempts to build such systems, see OGAS [1] which was led by mathematician Victor Glushkov [2]. The remarkable fact is that those attempts have failed due to bureaucrats fighting for their own power. It looks like the human nature and socialism are incompatible things – individuals in charge are just consumed by their ego. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGAS [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Glushkov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Glushkov

sudosysgen 5y ago
Had OGAS been suggested at other times, it would probably have been implemented. After the October Revolution, the CPSU were so open to change and so far from being ossified and giving up power that they basically implemented Keynesian capitalism until Stalin came about. But the longer you wait until after the revolution, the longer bureaucrats and egomaniac get to consolidate power, and the more difficult it is to change things. That's one of the major issues with Marxist-Leninist government structures.
- ZeroGravitas 5y ago
  I'm still reading my way chronologically through some books written at the time but the early 20th century communists all seem fairly benignly and boringly moderate by modern standards. I'm intrigued to see how it develops.
- nlitened 5y ago
  > bureaucrats and egomaniac get to consolidate power, and the more difficult it is to change things. That's one of the major issues with Marxist-Leninist government structures. This just means that Marxist-Leninist ideology is not compatible with reality, and does not work.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    The actual structure I'm talking about isn't the ideology as a whole, it's just how Lenin decided to set up the bureaucracy. We can all agree that doesn't work. As far as the ideology itself there definitely are many problems but I think you can't conclude that from the above.

sudosysgen 5y ago

Had OGAS been suggested at other times, it would probably have been implemented. After the October Revolution, the CPSU were so open to change and so far from being ossified and giving up power that they basically implemented Keynesian capitalism until Stalin came about. But the longer you wait until after the revolution, the longer bureaucrats and egomaniac get to consolidate power, and the more difficult it is to change things. That's one of the major issues with Marxist-Leninist government structures.

ZeroGravitas 5y ago
I'm still reading my way chronologically through some books written at the time but the early 20th century communists all seem fairly benignly and boringly moderate by modern standards. I'm intrigued to see how it develops.
nlitened 5y ago
> bureaucrats and egomaniac get to consolidate power, and the more difficult it is to change things. That's one of the major issues with Marxist-Leninist government structures. This just means that Marxist-Leninist ideology is not compatible with reality, and does not work.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  The actual structure I'm talking about isn't the ideology as a whole, it's just how Lenin decided to set up the bureaucracy. We can all agree that doesn't work. As far as the ideology itself there definitely are many problems but I think you can't conclude that from the above.