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>people who killed two police officers to rob $2 million from an armored truck I don't see what that has to do with his parents. As I understand it they weren'

>people who killed two police officers to rob $2 million from an armored truck I don't see what that has to do with his parents. As I understand it they weren't even onlookers to the killings.

spoonjim 5y ago
Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer. These people were a complete menace and if you hire a DA who makes excuses for terrorists/murders you get the results you get.
- perl4ever 5y ago
  >Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer She was waiting in a getaway vehicle at a different location from where the guards were killed by the people actually doing the robbery. It seems like you are playing with ambiguous statements. If you disagree with any of my statements about the facts, could you please be specific and explain where your information comes from.
  - spoonjim 5y ago
    Then where, pray tell, was Edward O’Grady killed, and where was Kathy Boudin at that time?
    - perl4ever 5y ago
      You're more familiar with this than me, so I wish you would be less ambiguous and give more context. The people who were killed to rob the armored truck were the guards, not the police officers. The officers stopped them trying to get away. If I'd read about that, I'd forgotten. So I resolved the apparent inconsistency by assuming you meant the guards. Now in the page about the robbery, I see the section titled "Car swap and second gunfight": (although, "This section does not cite any sources") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery So, after reading that, I would definitely not argue that 20 years in prison was too much. She may not have actually shot anyone, but I agree, was complicit. I don't think it was obviously too short a sentence, because of, like I said before, George Floyd's killer getting ~20 years. But Gilbert isn't out. And I don't see (ctrl-F) what exactly he did. I can't judge Chesa Boudin if he has made some argument to defend his father unless I were to read it. Since Gilbert didn't make a defense at trial, and Kathy Boudin plea-bargained, is it possible to say what specific actions they were imprisoned for? There is a quote: "Our goal is to see that these people, who have contempt for society and have shown no remorse, will never see the streets of society again" This seems to underline it was a political judgment, not about what was done, but about what they might do in the future. That doesn't make it arbitrary or incorrect, but it is about something other than the physical actions of those involved. If you want to talk about why Kathy Boudin shouldn't have been released, that seems external to the topic of what Chesa Boudin has said or done that is unacceptable or reprehensible. It wasn't him that made that decision, was it? It seems like it should be moot now anyway. Surely the ongoing issue is his father?
      - spoonjim 5y ago
        https://apnews.com/article/prosecutor-son-father-release-1981-heist-a4b2347125a34f321fac0cf7ddd6b5d6 https://apnews.com/article/prosecutor-son-father-release-198... You started this sub thread with “His parents were convicted of felony murder. That is not a violent crime per se.” I hope you now have the facts to see that Chesa Boudin is pleading for clemency for a terrorist murderer. That is not the kind of person who should be a DA! That is the job of a defense attorney, and Chesa would have been a great candidate for the SF Public Defender’s office. But when you hire a criminal apologist to be the city’s prosecutor you get predictably disastrous results.

>people who killed two police officers to rob $2 million from an armored truck I don't see what that has to do with his parents. As I understand it they weren't even onlookers to the killings.

spoonjim 5y ago

Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer. These people were a complete menace and if you hire a DA who makes excuses for terrorists/murders you get the results you get.

perl4ever 5y ago
>Well that’s just wrong, Kathy Boudin was driving the truck when they killed the police officer She was waiting in a getaway vehicle at a different location from where the guards were killed by the people actually doing the robbery. It seems like you are playing with ambiguous statements. If you disagree with any of my statements about the facts, could you please be specific and explain where your information comes from.
- spoonjim 5y ago
  Then where, pray tell, was Edward O’Grady killed, and where was Kathy Boudin at that time?
  - perl4ever 5y ago
    You're more familiar with this than me, so I wish you would be less ambiguous and give more context. The people who were killed to rob the armored truck were the guards, not the police officers. The officers stopped them trying to get away. If I'd read about that, I'd forgotten. So I resolved the apparent inconsistency by assuming you meant the guards. Now in the page about the robbery, I see the section titled "Car swap and second gunfight": (although, "This section does not cite any sources") https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brink%27s_robbery So, after reading that, I would definitely not argue that 20 years in prison was too much. She may not have actually shot anyone, but I agree, was complicit. I don't think it was obviously too short a sentence, because of, like I said before, George Floyd's killer getting ~20 years. But Gilbert isn't out. And I don't see (ctrl-F) what exactly he did. I can't judge Chesa Boudin if he has made some argument to defend his father unless I were to read it. Since Gilbert didn't make a defense at trial, and Kathy Boudin plea-bargained, is it possible to say what specific actions they were imprisoned for? There is a quote: "Our goal is to see that these people, who have contempt for society and have shown no remorse, will never see the streets of society again" This seems to underline it was a political judgment, not about what was done, but about what they might do in the future. That doesn't make it arbitrary or incorrect, but it is about something other than the physical actions of those involved. If you want to talk about why Kathy Boudin shouldn't have been released, that seems external to the topic of what Chesa Boudin has said or done that is unacceptable or reprehensible. It wasn't him that made that decision, was it? It seems like it should be moot now anyway. Surely the ongoing issue is his father?
    - spoonjim 5y ago
      https://apnews.com/article/prosecutor-son-father-release-1981-heist-a4b2347125a34f321fac0cf7ddd6b5d6 https://apnews.com/article/prosecutor-son-father-release-198... You started this sub thread with “His parents were convicted of felony murder. That is not a violent crime per se.” I hope you now have the facts to see that Chesa Boudin is pleading for clemency for a terrorist murderer. That is not the kind of person who should be a DA! That is the job of a defense attorney, and Chesa would have been a great candidate for the SF Public Defender’s office. But when you hire a criminal apologist to be the city’s prosecutor you get predictably disastrous results.