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There has already been extensive spending in these areas and what do we have to show for it? EDIT: While there's many factors that drive crime, crime was lower

There has already been extensive spending in these areas and what do we have to show for it? EDIT: While there's many factors that drive crime, crime was lower before the defund movements.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Does this logic apply to policing, too? > crime was lower before the defund movements Remind me, did anything else happen in 2020 that might have had an impact on crime?
- decremental 5y ago
  Good point. The rioting encouraged by politicians and the media happened in 2020.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Anything else happen that year?
    - slipframe 5y ago
      Instead of being passive aggressive with this psuedo-scoratic bullshit, why don't you just say outright what you mean? You're talking about covid. A global pandemic is a shitty excuse for these hyper-local phenomena. It's not covid; it's the voting public of San Francisco (and two or three other west coast cities) and the disastrous politicians they elect.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        The crime spike @Justin_K alluded to was national, not hyper-local. https://www.vox.com/22344713/murder-violent-crime-spike-surge-2020-covid-19-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/22344713/murder-violent-crime-spike-surg...
        slipframe 5y ago
        Nice try, but it's not murders and violent crimes that this discussion is about. Murders are not the crimes that 70% of San Franciscans are getting upset about. This degree of neighborhood destroying homelessness, rioting, and organized shoplifting at this scale are local phenomena, not national. These are the crimes that personally impact almost everybody besides the exceptionally privileged in cities like San Francisco and Seattle (were, across the street from me visible through my living-room window, a homeless camp has burned down twice in the past two months. I've lived here for ten year, but enough is enough. I'm getting the hell out of this city, and I'm far from the only one who's fed up with it. But keep on gaslighting, jackass.)
techrat 5y ago
https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-budgets-police-funding-eclipses-most-other-agencies https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... Compare with: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/19/alexandria-kentucky-police-social-workers https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/19/alexandria-k...

There has already been extensive spending in these areas and what do we have to show for it? EDIT: While there's many factors that drive crime, crime was lower before the defund movements.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Does this logic apply to policing, too? > crime was lower before the defund movements Remind me, did anything else happen in 2020 that might have had an impact on crime?

decremental 5y ago
Good point. The rioting encouraged by politicians and the media happened in 2020.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Anything else happen that year?
  - slipframe 5y ago
    Instead of being passive aggressive with this psuedo-scoratic bullshit, why don't you just say outright what you mean? You're talking about covid. A global pandemic is a shitty excuse for these hyper-local phenomena. It's not covid; it's the voting public of San Francisco (and two or three other west coast cities) and the disastrous politicians they elect.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      The crime spike @Justin_K alluded to was national, not hyper-local. https://www.vox.com/22344713/murder-violent-crime-spike-surge-2020-covid-19-coronavirus https://www.vox.com/22344713/murder-violent-crime-spike-surg...
      - slipframe 5y ago
        Nice try, but it's not murders and violent crimes that this discussion is about. Murders are not the crimes that 70% of San Franciscans are getting upset about. This degree of neighborhood destroying homelessness, rioting, and organized shoplifting at this scale are local phenomena, not national. These are the crimes that personally impact almost everybody besides the exceptionally privileged in cities like San Francisco and Seattle (were, across the street from me visible through my living-room window, a homeless camp has burned down twice in the past two months. I've lived here for ten year, but enough is enough. I'm getting the hell out of this city, and I'm far from the only one who's fed up with it. But keep on gaslighting, jackass.)

techrat 5y ago

https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-budgets-police-funding-eclipses-most-other-agencies https://citymonitor.ai/government/the-reality-of-us-city-bud... Compare with: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/19/alexandria-kentucky-police-social-workers https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/19/alexandria-k...