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Can you expand on this line of thought. I have a gut feeling you are correct based on what I’ve read from Moore, but if you can summarize why he would think thi

Can you expand on this line of thought. I have a gut feeling you are correct based on what I’ve read from Moore, but if you can summarize why he would think this I’d like to see it distilled.

caslon 5y ago
"I had reservations about ANSI. I worried that it would be a disaster and not merely a dubious advantage. All of my fears of the standard and none of the advantages of the standard have come to pass. Any spirit of innovation has been thoroughly quelched. Underground Forths are still needed. I said I thought the standard should be a publication standard but they wanted an execution standard." "There is a problem that I first saw at iTV. It was the first time I have been in the presence of a Forth project that I wasn't contributing to. I saw how other programmers use Forth. They don't always get it right." "Besides stacks plus colon definitions there is something else. There needs to be another book written about writing good code." -- Chuck Moore, 1997
Something1234 5y ago
Can someone add more context here? When ever I read about forth it always seems like there's some missing context that isn't mentioned any where. Who's Ron? What's the 8th language? Do these things have more sugar?
- shrubble 5y ago
  Ron Aaron, who currently lives in Israel, is author of 8th, which is based on Forth (i.e. 8 > 4). I think that he is just called Ron due to being so well known in the Forth community. He is the author of the earlier Forth implementation called Reva Forth also. The website is https://8th-dev.com/ https://8th-dev.com/ .
macintux 5y ago
The impression I've always gotten, admittedly second-hand, is that Chuck feels a Forth and its hardware should be designed at the same time, as an integrated solution. Tune the hardware for its Forth, and vice versa, instead of one Forth to rule them all.

Can you expand on this line of thought. I have a gut feeling you are correct based on what I’ve read from Moore, but if you can summarize why he would think this I’d like to see it distilled.

caslon 5y ago

"I had reservations about ANSI. I worried that it would be a disaster and not merely a dubious advantage. All of my fears of the standard and none of the advantages of the standard have come to pass. Any spirit of innovation has been thoroughly quelched. Underground Forths are still needed. I said I thought the standard should be a publication standard but they wanted an execution standard." "There is a problem that I first saw at iTV. It was the first time I have been in the presence of a Forth project that I wasn't contributing to. I saw how other programmers use Forth. They don't always get it right." "Besides stacks plus colon definitions there is something else. There needs to be another book written about writing good code." -- Chuck Moore, 1997

Something1234 5y ago

Can someone add more context here? When ever I read about forth it always seems like there's some missing context that isn't mentioned any where. Who's Ron? What's the 8th language? Do these things have more sugar?

shrubble 5y ago
Ron Aaron, who currently lives in Israel, is author of 8th, which is based on Forth (i.e. 8 > 4). I think that he is just called Ron due to being so well known in the Forth community. He is the author of the earlier Forth implementation called Reva Forth also. The website is https://8th-dev.com/ https://8th-dev.com/ .

macintux 5y ago

The impression I've always gotten, admittedly second-hand, is that Chuck feels a Forth and its hardware should be designed at the same time, as an integrated solution. Tune the hardware for its Forth, and vice versa, instead of one Forth to rule them all.