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I think it's clear that Copilot pushes boundaries...technological and legal. It makes people uncomfortable and challenges a lot of assumptions that we have abou

by daenz 5y ago

I think it's clear that Copilot pushes boundaries...technological and legal. It makes people uncomfortable and challenges a lot of assumptions that we have about the current world. But this is exactly what I expect from the next revolutionary change in computing.

emerged 5y ago
Yeah we need to work through all the issues this exposes. It’s going to be complicate and messy but it’s been inevitable for a long time.
xunn0026 5y ago
Because if it's somebody that has to push boundaries it's not the plebs it's trillion dollar companies.
Barrin92 5y ago
it doesn't at all challenge any assumption we have about the current world, unless you've been living with the assumption that you can't automate the process of producing code snippets. Copilot is no different than stackoverflow with the exception that your selection mechanism is done by an artifical neural net rather than a bunch of people with up and downvotes in front of their screen. The reason people are uncomfortable here isn't some vague PR speech notion about the future, it's that copilot appears to be quite literally ignoring software licenses. Can we not devolve into this Silicon Valley corporate speak of rebranding a company ignoring intellectual property as innovation?
- daenz 5y ago
  It sounds like you have it all figured out, so I just have one question: if it's not innovative (it's "no different than stackoverflow with X"), then what is your explanation for why the Copilot announcement here received over 2.8k votes? It's so obviously just stackoverflow with a better selection mechanism, so why aren't people treating it as such?
  - Barrin92 5y ago
    as far as I have seen it that is exactly how people are using it, which is why the last thread about it was (rightfully) full of people pointing out what a bad idea it is of copying half-cooked code snippets into your own codebase. Why does it get a lot of upvotes? Because it's an AI product that makes things appear on your screen and that's the threshold for hype in our current age. Of course the number of upvotes on HN regardless doesn't speak to the innovation of anything. As best as I can tell all pre-covid posts on HN concerning mrna vaccines have a total of one upvote. Useless tech right?
    - daenz 5y ago
      It sounds like you think most people upvoted it because it is a shiny toy and the bar is very low when it comes to impressing tech industry workers. And also you don't believe upvotes have a positive correlation with innovation on HN, because the mRNA vaccine posts don't have as many upvotes as you think they should. Does that about sum it up?
      - Barrin92 5y ago
        that does about sum it up, yes.

by daenz 5y ago

emerged 5y ago

Yeah we need to work through all the issues this exposes. It’s going to be complicate and messy but it’s been inevitable for a long time.

xunn0026 5y ago

Because if it's somebody that has to push boundaries it's not the plebs it's trillion dollar companies.

Barrin92 5y ago

it doesn't at all challenge any assumption we have about the current world, unless you've been living with the assumption that you can't automate the process of producing code snippets. Copilot is no different than stackoverflow with the exception that your selection mechanism is done by an artifical neural net rather than a bunch of people with up and downvotes in front of their screen. The reason people are uncomfortable here isn't some vague PR speech notion about the future, it's that copilot appears to be quite literally ignoring software licenses. Can we not devolve into this Silicon Valley corporate speak of rebranding a company ignoring intellectual property as innovation?

daenz 5y ago
It sounds like you have it all figured out, so I just have one question: if it's not innovative (it's "no different than stackoverflow with X"), then what is your explanation for why the Copilot announcement here received over 2.8k votes? It's so obviously just stackoverflow with a better selection mechanism, so why aren't people treating it as such?
- Barrin92 5y ago
  as far as I have seen it that is exactly how people are using it, which is why the last thread about it was (rightfully) full of people pointing out what a bad idea it is of copying half-cooked code snippets into your own codebase. Why does it get a lot of upvotes? Because it's an AI product that makes things appear on your screen and that's the threshold for hype in our current age. Of course the number of upvotes on HN regardless doesn't speak to the innovation of anything. As best as I can tell all pre-covid posts on HN concerning mrna vaccines have a total of one upvote. Useless tech right?
  - daenz 5y ago
    It sounds like you think most people upvoted it because it is a shiny toy and the bar is very low when it comes to impressing tech industry workers. And also you don't believe upvotes have a positive correlation with innovation on HN, because the mRNA vaccine posts don't have as many upvotes as you think they should. Does that about sum it up?
    - Barrin92 5y ago
      that does about sum it up, yes.