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Makes sense, BTW I appreciate all the sibling replies as well. So basically it seems they used the proper nouns to start and then built up on that. And also us

by yumraj 5y ago

Makes sense, BTW I appreciate all the sibling replies as well. So basically it seems they used the proper nouns to start and then built up on that. And also used Coptic to fill gaps.. I do get the point about Greek approximation since just as an example in modern India, Alexander is referred to as Sikander. Similar, yet very different.

yorwba 5y ago
The Al- most likely got lost in Arabic due to being reanalyzed as a determiner instead of as part of the name.
- schoen 5y ago
  For the Greeks, it even had an intelligible meaning https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CF%89#Ancient_Greek https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%C... I think the a- in the al- in Alexander is supposed to be the alpha privative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_privative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_privative like our "ward off" or something.
  - YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
    I don't know if that's right. It could be but it sounds wrong in that I've never heard of "έξω", on its own, without the possible privative, at least not as a verb (there is a modern noun "έξω" meaning "out"). Also, wikipedia says this about alpha privative: >> It is derived from a Proto-Indo-European syllabic nasal n̥-, the zero ablaut grade of the negation ne, i.e. /n/ used as a vowel. But the wiktionary article says this about αλέξω: From Proto-Hellenic aléksō (“to protect”), from Proto-Indo-European h₂lek- (“to defend”) (...) Note the difference between "n̥" and "h₂". I don't even know what those are, but they seem different enough that they may be ... different?
csunbird 5y ago
Alexander is pronounced as “İskender” in modern Turkish as well.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> So basically it seems they used the proper nouns to start and then built up on that. And also used Coptic to fill gaps.. In the case of Ramses specifically, there is also a piece of biblical evidence, the city recorded in Hebrew as something like "Raamses". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses#Biblical_Ramesses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses#Biblical_Ramesses The two biblical cities of Pithom and Raamses are traditionally identified as the Egyptian "per-Atum" and "per-Ramesses", for some convention on spelling the Egyptian names.

by yumraj 5y ago

yorwba 5y ago

The Al- most likely got lost in Arabic due to being reanalyzed as a determiner instead of as part of the name.

schoen 5y ago
For the Greeks, it even had an intelligible meaning https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CF%89#Ancient_Greek https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BC%80%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%C... I think the a- in the al- in Alexander is supposed to be the alpha privative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_privative https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_privative like our "ward off" or something.
- YeGoblynQueenne 5y ago
  I don't know if that's right. It could be but it sounds wrong in that I've never heard of "έξω", on its own, without the possible privative, at least not as a verb (there is a modern noun "έξω" meaning "out"). Also, wikipedia says this about alpha privative: >> It is derived from a Proto-Indo-European syllabic nasal n̥-, the zero ablaut grade of the negation ne, i.e. /n/ used as a vowel. But the wiktionary article says this about αλέξω: From Proto-Hellenic aléksō (“to protect”), from Proto-Indo-European h₂lek- (“to defend”) (...) Note the difference between "n̥" and "h₂". I don't even know what those are, but they seem different enough that they may be ... different?

csunbird 5y ago

Alexander is pronounced as “İskender” in modern Turkish as well.

thaumasiotes 5y ago

> So basically it seems they used the proper nouns to start and then built up on that. And also used Coptic to fill gaps.. In the case of Ramses specifically, there is also a piece of biblical evidence, the city recorded in Hebrew as something like "Raamses". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses#Biblical_Ramesses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi-Ramesses#Biblical_Ramesses The two biblical cities of Pithom and Raamses are traditionally identified as the Egyptian "per-Atum" and "per-Ramesses", for some convention on spelling the Egyptian names.