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> Bureaucrats who could fix it in a minute That is not how this works. Bureaucrats needs to legally be instructed to change the register, "I saw something yest
by ElViajero 5y ago
> Bureaucrats who could fix it in a minute
That is not how this works. Bureaucrats needs to legally be instructed to change the register, "I saw something yesterday on TV and I am going to change official records" would be the worse bureaucracy ever. A bureaucrat that did such a change would end out of a job and maybe in prison for a good reason.
> How fucked up the system must be to allow such abuse.
The "system" works for millions of people. One weird case and you want to throw away the complete system. Google or Facebook close accounts randomly, meanwhile the state is able to keep proper records for a century with minimum mistakes. Yes, it is bad for this woman. Yes, they need to fix her case. No, it is not a reason to throw away a system that works.
> France
From the article, this also happened in Ohio. "In 2013, an Ohio judge ruled that Donald E Miller Jr would have to stay legally deceased, even though Miller was sitting in the courtroom to hear his fate, perfectly healthy. He had been declared dead in 1994 after having disappeared in 1986, owing thousands of dollars in unpaid child support. His ex-wife had requested Miller be declared dead so she would eligible for social security benefits. When Miller returned – he had been working out of state – he was told that Ohio cannot reverse death certificates after more than three years."
> I did not know that free person in France can not legally move without Ausweis.
Not in France nor in the USA. Try to move around the USA without a birth certificate and you are going to find how many problems you have to access properties and a job. Even in the Roman Empire you needed a birth certificate to prove ownership of land.
- FpUser 5y ago>"Blah blah blah. One weird case and you want to throw away the complete system. Who said anything about "throwing away a system". Just fix the fucking particular case. I am pretty sure if shit like this happened to their president it would've been handled in a minute. Taking away her rights was illegal in a first place anyways. >"Not in France nor in the USA. Try to move around the USA without a birth certificate" Under "move" I meant just simply walking on a street without ID. Not things like buying a house. If one can be charged for simply walking on a street without ID the country is fucked.
- Igelau 5y agoIt sounds like the trouble is that no one knows how to fix it. There's no "[ ] Dead" checkbox to uncheck on the computer, and no "Declare Nondeceased" forms to file, so they kick it up the chain of command. "This is above my pay grade!" The next person doesn't have a clue what to do either, so the buck never stops being passed. The pencil-pushers don't know how to push this pencil. The bean-counters don't know how to count this bean. The bureau has a problem it can't crat.
- FpUser 5y agoI am pretty sure this [] dead checkbox is derived from some field in the database and the database can be modified directly. I've done my share of fixing similar situations in the past while doing some jobs for Telecoms. And it this was normal country ( I am not singling it out as we are fucking up people as well ) they should be able to quickly escalate it to the level that can simply order the fucking box unchecked. Unfortunately the victim is not some VIP otherwise they would've solved it in no time.