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Totally speculative, but what if the propulsion system is something like an Alcubierre drive? Then the object isn't moving, just moving the spacetime around its

by j0ba 5y ago

Totally speculative, but what if the propulsion system is something like an Alcubierre drive? Then the object isn't moving, just moving the spacetime around itself.

giantrobot 5y ago
The Alcubierre drive a mathematical construct and not a real thing that can be built. It was was real then the energy needed to warp space around even a tiny spaceship would destroy the Earth. If their magic space warp drives didn't destroy the Earth they would be warping light's path around them. So we wouldn't see them. Of all the possibilities for UAPs, super magic propulsion drives are the among the least likely of a number of unlikely explanations. Cameras are weird and lenses have a lot of weird properties. Autofocus and aperture adjustment add more weirdness. Image sensors have their own weird properties and behaviors. Cameras on stabilized gimbals on a moving aircraft compound all of those properties and effects. That's all on top of the unintuitive nature of looking at things in the sky which often lacks a helpful visual perspective. So sensor artifacts and co fusing perspective is far far more likely than magic space warp drives.
- creamytaco 5y ago
  Sensor artifacts don't account for first-person eyewitness testimony from airforce pilots so they're out. Either the pilots are telling the truth or they're lying. Sensor artifacts are totally implausible in both cases.
  - giantrobot 5y ago
    Eyewitness testimony isn't actually worth all that much, even from pilots. At any given time there's thousands of planes in the air at a variety of altitudes. There's also bright satellites, stars, and astral bodies. Between any given pilot and those things is a lot of turbulent atmosphere (even in the clearest weather), a canopy, and often sunglasses or a helmet visor. Even for a trained pilot the reference-free venue that is the sky is a bit mind bending. Even something the size of an airliner looks like an indistinct pill from a few km away. Atmospheric ducting [0] can make a plane too distant to pick up on radar visible to the eye or an EO/FLIR sensor. There's also the pesky habit of "eyewitness" accounts being absolutely terrible. Someone can claim to have "seen" an object while they only did so through their plane's cameras. They think they remember "seeing" the thing so that's their story. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct
    - creamytaco 5y ago
      I suggest you familiarize yourself with some of that eyewitness testimony because everything you wrote simply does not apply: https://youtu.be/ZBtMbBPzqHY?t=459 https://youtu.be/ZBtMbBPzqHY?t=459 If you have more to say that you'd also want me to address, it better be directly relevant to the events described in this video.

by j0ba 5y ago

Totally speculative, but what if the propulsion system is something like an Alcubierre drive? Then the object isn't moving, just moving the spacetime around itself.

giantrobot 5y ago

The Alcubierre drive a mathematical construct and not a real thing that can be built. It was was real then the energy needed to warp space around even a tiny spaceship would destroy the Earth. If their magic space warp drives didn't destroy the Earth they would be warping light's path around them. So we wouldn't see them. Of all the possibilities for UAPs, super magic propulsion drives are the among the least likely of a number of unlikely explanations. Cameras are weird and lenses have a lot of weird properties. Autofocus and aperture adjustment add more weirdness. Image sensors have their own weird properties and behaviors. Cameras on stabilized gimbals on a moving aircraft compound all of those properties and effects. That's all on top of the unintuitive nature of looking at things in the sky which often lacks a helpful visual perspective. So sensor artifacts and co fusing perspective is far far more likely than magic space warp drives.

creamytaco 5y ago
Sensor artifacts don't account for first-person eyewitness testimony from airforce pilots so they're out. Either the pilots are telling the truth or they're lying. Sensor artifacts are totally implausible in both cases.
- giantrobot 5y ago
  Eyewitness testimony isn't actually worth all that much, even from pilots. At any given time there's thousands of planes in the air at a variety of altitudes. There's also bright satellites, stars, and astral bodies. Between any given pilot and those things is a lot of turbulent atmosphere (even in the clearest weather), a canopy, and often sunglasses or a helmet visor. Even for a trained pilot the reference-free venue that is the sky is a bit mind bending. Even something the size of an airliner looks like an indistinct pill from a few km away. Atmospheric ducting [0] can make a plane too distant to pick up on radar visible to the eye or an EO/FLIR sensor. There's also the pesky habit of "eyewitness" accounts being absolutely terrible. Someone can claim to have "seen" an object while they only did so through their plane's cameras. They think they remember "seeing" the thing so that's their story. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmospheric_duct
  - creamytaco 5y ago
    I suggest you familiarize yourself with some of that eyewitness testimony because everything you wrote simply does not apply: https://youtu.be/ZBtMbBPzqHY?t=459 https://youtu.be/ZBtMbBPzqHY?t=459 If you have more to say that you'd also want me to address, it better be directly relevant to the events described in this video.