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Again, you seem to trust the Chinese administration to their word. I bet during Chernobyl we should have trusted the USSR for information too. And since this fa

Again, you seem to trust the Chinese administration to their word. I bet during Chernobyl we should have trusted the USSR for information too. And since this famous Chinese investigator said "oh no it wasn't romantic our lab" we should stop digging for the origin of the most catastrophic event since WW2

edanm 5y ago
You're misunderstanding parent's post. Parent is neither trusting nor mistrusting the Chinese administration. They are simply explaining (and quoting) the article.
- arisAlexis 5y ago
  Then I disagree with both parent and article and taking my opinion which is that we don't know and cant trust what the Chinese say on the subject.
DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
The Chinese can't go back in time and change things they said before the pandemic. The viruses that the Wuhan Institute of Virology works with are fairly well known, because the WIV has published numerous papers on them. We know, for example, that the WIV has three live coronaviruses that it works with. None of them is close to SARS-CoV-2. We also know about a whole range of other viruses they've discovered (by sequencing RNA fragments), but which they haven't been able to culture in the lab. These include RaTG13, which they first published on in 2016. It's significant that among all these viruses they've published on over the years, none is similar enough to SARS-CoV-2 to be its ancestor. I'll just add that some of the people we're talking about here, like Dr. Shi Zhengli, are very highly respected scientists who have contributed a huge amount to the field of virology. Just accusing them of lying with zero evidence is in pretty poor taste.
- arisAlexis 5y ago
  Did they give full access to all documents and facilities to WHO? NO. Why do you continue an argument that has 0 basis?
  - DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
    The WHO team went to the WIV and got detailed information about the research conducted by the various research groups there, and were able to question the groups.
    - arisAlexis 5y ago
      Tedros said after they returned that he doesn't trust fully the results and they need to keep digging for this possibility. Are you in any way involved? This persistent blindness of facts and distortion of truth is too much for a non interested party. Google a reference for my first sentence.

edanm 5y ago

You're misunderstanding parent's post. Parent is neither trusting nor mistrusting the Chinese administration. They are simply explaining (and quoting) the article.

arisAlexis 5y ago
Then I disagree with both parent and article and taking my opinion which is that we don't know and cant trust what the Chinese say on the subject.

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago

The Chinese can't go back in time and change things they said before the pandemic. The viruses that the Wuhan Institute of Virology works with are fairly well known, because the WIV has published numerous papers on them. We know, for example, that the WIV has three live coronaviruses that it works with. None of them is close to SARS-CoV-2. We also know about a whole range of other viruses they've discovered (by sequencing RNA fragments), but which they haven't been able to culture in the lab. These include RaTG13, which they first published on in 2016. It's significant that among all these viruses they've published on over the years, none is similar enough to SARS-CoV-2 to be its ancestor. I'll just add that some of the people we're talking about here, like Dr. Shi Zhengli, are very highly respected scientists who have contributed a huge amount to the field of virology. Just accusing them of lying with zero evidence is in pretty poor taste.

arisAlexis 5y ago
Did they give full access to all documents and facilities to WHO? NO. Why do you continue an argument that has 0 basis?
- DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  The WHO team went to the WIV and got detailed information about the research conducted by the various research groups there, and were able to question the groups.
  - arisAlexis 5y ago
    Tedros said after they returned that he doesn't trust fully the results and they need to keep digging for this possibility. Are you in any way involved? This persistent blindness of facts and distortion of truth is too much for a non interested party. Google a reference for my first sentence.