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A forgotten Anglo-Saxon colony on the north-eastern Black Sea coast (2015)
- dghughes 5y agoOld link is dead, this seems to be it now: https://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/05/medieval-new-england-black-sea.html https://www.caitlingreen.org/2015/05/medieval-new-england-bl...
- caf 5y agoAlthough the name 'New England' is now firmly associated with the east coast of America, this is not the first place to be called that. There's at least one other New England, which in confusing piece of geography is a region within a much larger New South Wales.
- mc32 5y agoIt looks like the one on the Crimea was ‘Nova Anglia’ Or maybe it was Neowe Anglland. Interesting that they sailed to escape the rule of the defeated king’s brother who it seems promised William to ‘hold the throne’ for him but kind of reneged on that so William went over and conquered it like a conquistador.
- herewulf 5y agoWilliam's claim was rather tenous. The Norman Conquest barely succeeded after narrowly winning the Battle of Hastings. The English had put down a rebellion in the north in the preceeding weeks, then just prior to the Battle of Hastings Harold Godwinson defeated a viking invasion at Stamford Bridge, and in a few short weeks force marched from Northern England to Hastings to meet William. It still took the Normans all day to defeat the battered and tired English army, but the resulting slaughter of English lords left a power vacuum and England ripe for the Norman's picking. P.S.: "New England" properly rendered in Old English would be "Níw Englaland".
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- justshowpost 5y agoYah, but 2015
- rgrieselhuber 5y agoI’ve learned recently about the “Ivanhoe Gap” and it’s a very interesting concept to consider.
- jccooper 5y agoFor those wondering: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8424904/People-with-Norman-names-wealthier-than-other-Britons.html https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/842...
- jhgb 5y agoI knew about it but I didn't know about the clever name.
- simonh 5y agoI wonder if part of it might be people on the up-and-up adopting a posh sounding name.
- nivertech 5y agoIs there any connection with Crimean Goths? [1,2] It doesn't make sense that people will migrate from England to Crimea just out of the blue. It's only make sense if they were already in the Mediterranean region and then were looking to settle in either colder climate, free rich lands, or a combination of the above. There are also older anti-Normanist theories that Kievan Rus was founded by the people/warriors from the South (i.e. Crimea or adjacent Sea of Azov area). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Goths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Goths [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Gothic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Gothic [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Normanism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Normanism
- djbebs 5y agoBy this time a significant pprtion of the varangian guard were actually anglo saxon.
- throwaway2048 5y agofor all the fanfare the vikings get, the anglo-saxons were nearly as infamous as raiders and pirates, although usually in a slightly earlier era. Consider how they came to conquer and settle England.
- bivargen 5y agoAnd on a tangent to a tangent: The Old norse word for ‘boat’ is usually ‘bátr’, not the expected inherited ‘beitr’. The former is a loanword from Anglo-saxon and the inherited ’beitr’ is only found in poetry. While anecdotal, it is interesting that a culture so associated with seafaring as the viking-age Scandinavia borrowed the word for boat.
- herewulf 5y agoYes, indeed. Consider also the fact that the Anglo-Saxons were culturally and ethnically similar to the Vikings (whom the Anglo-Saxons collectively referred to as "Danes" despite also coming from Norway and Sweden). The Danelaw[1] had resulted in significant intermixing of Anglo-Saxons and Danes, and by 1066 England had had two Danish kings. It's completely unsurprising that Anglo-Saxons integrated well into the Varangian Guard. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danelaw
- Nicholas_C 5y agoThis saga would make for some very interesting historical fiction.
- prox 5y agoI really like the Netflix series “The last kingdom” , it is a nice blend of both!
- pjmlp 5y agoIf not done yet, then watch Vikings, and afterwards try to see how common facts are portrayed across both series, and cross check with the historical facts. I had lots of fun doing that. Somehow we had to get busy at home during these last year. :)
- prox 5y agoGoing to do that! Vikings is on my list now :)
- throwawaynumber 5y agoGlad to see that not everywhere on the internet thinks anglo-saxons don't really exist.
- michalu 5y agoGytha of Wessex the daughter of the last Anglo-Saxon king of England married Rus ruler Vladimir II Monomakh after fleeing from England conquered by Normans. The "queen" of the Rus was effectively Anglo-Saxong emigree. Her great-great grandson was Alexander Nevsky, widely recognized in Russia as the greatest national hero. It seems many anglo-saxons migrated to Rus after the conquest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_of_Wessex https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gytha_of_Wessex If you like history of that part of the world: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ayBcrZWJ8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_ayBcrZWJ8