Yeah I wasn’t complaining, just observing, so I agree with your last point. But I disagree about the expensive part. The up front out the door price seems high

Yeah I wasn’t complaining, just observing, so I agree with your last point. But I disagree about the expensive part. The up front out the door price seems high, but you save so much in other ways that it ends up having a lower total cost of ownership than a mid priced car like a Camry, for me at least. YMMV.