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> Information technology makes it hard for them to switch off. There's this button on every device that makes it switch on and off. Sheesh. It's almost like th

> Information technology makes it hard for them to switch off. There's this button on every device that makes it switch on and off. Sheesh. It's almost like the technology makes it easy!

mschuster91 5y ago
The problem is that the customers expect to be able to order 24/7 since they can do the same on Amazon, Delivery Hero, whatever. Additionally, if I were a drug user and I could not reach my pusher, I'd expect that the cops have busted him and will now work through their phone.
- hobs 5y ago
  You've clearly not bought drugs (also lol pusher) - drug dealers are notoriously late, slow, uncommunicative, and often you dont have a bunch of other options because to your point, you're in a low trust situation. You might text a guy and anywhere between 1 minute and 4 days later get a response.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    For what it's worth I was a pothead in my youth, but then again you have it easy in Germany since you just need to go to a club or to a park (every city has at least one hotspot) to get offered all kinds of stuff on the streets.
    - hobs 5y ago
      Fair, but again that would be a low trust situation - buying drugs from someone offering on the street is a great way to have an undercover cop arrest you.
      - sgjohnson 5y ago
        In the US that would be entrapment and charges wouldn’t stick. It’s a great way to get rippped off though.
        hobs 5y ago
        No, entrapment has to show you never would have done the thing without police involvement, simply offering drugs to you wont generally meet that bar! Let's take California for instance * Official conduct that constitutes entrapment under California law * pressure (examples include appealing to your sense of friendship/compassion or offering an enormous amount of compensation for committing the crime) * harassment or threats (repeated and unwavering solicitation of the activity) * fraud (promises that the suggested conduct is legal) * Official permissible conduct not subject to California entrapment law * presenting an opportunity to participate in criminal activity * initiating the criminal activity * undercover operations * reasonable assurances that you’re not being “set up”
      - mschuster91 5y ago
        Cops don't do this kind of sting here. They don't give much about consumers - in Berlin and Hamburg you can smoke on the streets - unless you happen to be either in Bavaria or at a pusher house during a raid.
    - klyrs 5y ago
      In other words, you met them on their terms...
    - rmah 5y ago
      That still happens in Germany?!?!? Why don't the polizei scoop them up? Seems like an easy way to boost your arrest #'s.
      - royjacobs 5y ago
        Police in Northern Europe typically spend their time going after large dealers, producers, etc. Arresting low-level dealers happens too of course, but believe it or not, police over here don't consider the # of arrests to be their primary KPI.
      - Hackbraten 5y ago
        Good question. I’d guess it’s probably a mix of several contributing factors: - For immigrants from (non-EU) countries, it can be hard to almost impossible to obtain a work permit. If the police learns they’re dealing with such a case, they know the perpetrator is probably going to pick up the same business no matter whether they spend one night behind bars or three years. They’re probably going to go back to selling drugs either way. But that means two things: 1. Putting those people (who certainly need a way to feed their families) behind bars is not going to be worth the hassle. 2. The desire to do meaningful work can cause police officers to look away and focus on other kinds of crime (and often prevention) where they feel their work has an actual impact. - German prisons are usually not privately owned or operated. There’s relatively little incentive to fill them, and each prisoner costs the state money. - The German justice system is leaning more towards rehabilitating criminals than punishing them. Judges know very well what trade-offs are involved whenever they lock a person away so they tend to hand out prison terms rather conservatively.
      - lm28469 5y ago
        Lots of places in Europe allow it in restricted areas. There is a children park in the middle of Paris known for being almost exclusively used by drug addicts and dealers. They know the drugs will be sold anyways so the logic is to restrain it to a specific place. In Berlin one of them is Gorlitzer Park, the police is circling the park all the time to avoid crimes (other than selling drugs) It's not really a problem these days since you can order all kind of drugs (anything from weed to coke) from signal/telegram groups and get them delivered to your door, sometimes faster than food deliveries
  - wutbrodo 5y ago
    > You've clearly not bought drugs (also lol pusher) - drug dealers are notoriously late, slow, uncommunicative, and often you dont have a bunch of other options because to your point, you're in a low trust situation. In more mature markets (which have lenient enforcement), I've found drug dealers to be very professional, with good customer service. I had a delivery guy with specific business hours a decade ago, and within those hours he was extremely responsive, predictable and had a lightning-quick turnaround time.

> Information technology makes it hard for them to switch off. There's this button on every device that makes it switch on and off. Sheesh. It's almost like the technology makes it easy!

mschuster91 5y ago

The problem is that the customers expect to be able to order 24/7 since they can do the same on Amazon, Delivery Hero, whatever. Additionally, if I were a drug user and I could not reach my pusher, I'd expect that the cops have busted him and will now work through their phone.

hobs 5y ago
You've clearly not bought drugs (also lol pusher) - drug dealers are notoriously late, slow, uncommunicative, and often you dont have a bunch of other options because to your point, you're in a low trust situation. You might text a guy and anywhere between 1 minute and 4 days later get a response.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  For what it's worth I was a pothead in my youth, but then again you have it easy in Germany since you just need to go to a club or to a park (every city has at least one hotspot) to get offered all kinds of stuff on the streets.
  - hobs 5y ago
    Fair, but again that would be a low trust situation - buying drugs from someone offering on the street is a great way to have an undercover cop arrest you.
    - sgjohnson 5y ago
      In the US that would be entrapment and charges wouldn’t stick. It’s a great way to get rippped off though.
      - hobs 5y ago
        No, entrapment has to show you never would have done the thing without police involvement, simply offering drugs to you wont generally meet that bar! Let's take California for instance * Official conduct that constitutes entrapment under California law * pressure (examples include appealing to your sense of friendship/compassion or offering an enormous amount of compensation for committing the crime) * harassment or threats (repeated and unwavering solicitation of the activity) * fraud (promises that the suggested conduct is legal) * Official permissible conduct not subject to California entrapment law * presenting an opportunity to participate in criminal activity * initiating the criminal activity * undercover operations * reasonable assurances that you’re not being “set up”
    - mschuster91 5y ago
      Cops don't do this kind of sting here. They don't give much about consumers - in Berlin and Hamburg you can smoke on the streets - unless you happen to be either in Bavaria or at a pusher house during a raid.
  - klyrs 5y ago
    In other words, you met them on their terms...
  - rmah 5y ago
    That still happens in Germany?!?!? Why don't the polizei scoop them up? Seems like an easy way to boost your arrest #'s.
    - royjacobs 5y ago
      Police in Northern Europe typically spend their time going after large dealers, producers, etc. Arresting low-level dealers happens too of course, but believe it or not, police over here don't consider the # of arrests to be their primary KPI.
    - Hackbraten 5y ago
      Good question. I’d guess it’s probably a mix of several contributing factors: - For immigrants from (non-EU) countries, it can be hard to almost impossible to obtain a work permit. If the police learns they’re dealing with such a case, they know the perpetrator is probably going to pick up the same business no matter whether they spend one night behind bars or three years. They’re probably going to go back to selling drugs either way. But that means two things: 1. Putting those people (who certainly need a way to feed their families) behind bars is not going to be worth the hassle. 2. The desire to do meaningful work can cause police officers to look away and focus on other kinds of crime (and often prevention) where they feel their work has an actual impact. - German prisons are usually not privately owned or operated. There’s relatively little incentive to fill them, and each prisoner costs the state money. - The German justice system is leaning more towards rehabilitating criminals than punishing them. Judges know very well what trade-offs are involved whenever they lock a person away so they tend to hand out prison terms rather conservatively.
    - lm28469 5y ago
      Lots of places in Europe allow it in restricted areas. There is a children park in the middle of Paris known for being almost exclusively used by drug addicts and dealers. They know the drugs will be sold anyways so the logic is to restrain it to a specific place. In Berlin one of them is Gorlitzer Park, the police is circling the park all the time to avoid crimes (other than selling drugs) It's not really a problem these days since you can order all kind of drugs (anything from weed to coke) from signal/telegram groups and get them delivered to your door, sometimes faster than food deliveries
- wutbrodo 5y ago
  > You've clearly not bought drugs (also lol pusher) - drug dealers are notoriously late, slow, uncommunicative, and often you dont have a bunch of other options because to your point, you're in a low trust situation. In more mature markets (which have lenient enforcement), I've found drug dealers to be very professional, with good customer service. I had a delivery guy with specific business hours a decade ago, and within those hours he was extremely responsive, predictable and had a lightning-quick turnaround time.