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> And that, kids, is why we hire college grads, and not drug dealers... C'mon, you had a decent point going until you went for the lazy punchdown. Do you know

> And that, kids, is why we hire college grads, and not drug dealers... C'mon, you had a decent point going until you went for the lazy punchdown. Do you know any drug dealers personally? My guess is no, because I have met drug dealers who absolutely wipe the floors with most of the tenured corporate sales professionals I've met in my life, in terms of raw sales acumen (leaving ethics and society aside for a moment). I'm not the only one who notices this.

sumnole 5y ago
Battleworn grad students have already mastered dealing with stress. They've seen some shit.
- nvahalik 5y ago
  So have a lot of drug dealers. Many of them have been physically beaten, shot at, shot, stolen from, and lived their lives practically as soldiers from a young age. You can leave but the price is high.
- technofiend 5y ago
  No doubt! I admire those willing to spend years of their lives working towards a singular goal even when they know all the while a) they will eventually have to carve out some novel approach in their area, and b) defend it to a panel of experts. Well done to all of them. At least in the operations space all the stress is generally transitory; fix the problem and move on. Plus you don't usually schedule outages three years in advance.
- yowlingcat 5y ago
  Mastering dealing with completely artificial stress isn't a substitute for real work experience. In fact, it gets in the way because as a manager you have to actively coach them into unlearning those unhealthy habits.
jasonhansel 5y ago
> leaving ethics and society aside for a moment A fairly important caveat. (Though, granted, some corporate salespeople may actually be worse for society than drug dealers.)
- didericis 5y ago
  > some corporate sales agents may actually be worse for society than drug dealers Pharmaceutical sales agents are drug dealers. People sell incredibly dangerous and addictive substances legally all the time. Arguably this site is full of button mashing dopamine dealers. The worst part about illegal drug dealers is not the substance they sell. Dangerous destructive things have value and utility, including the worst drugs (to a degree). It’s the lack of transparency and resultant lack of accountability that does the worst societal harm.
- xfitm3 5y ago
  This is a charged topic but I do want to point out there is a delta between the actual impact of drugs and the impact that is publicized. In my opinion the war on drugs has little to do with drugs itself and it's more about power and control. Despite the efforts of many governments, including the US government, Pablo Escobar was a force to be reckoned with. His power was built on the drug war.
- 252452d 5y ago
  You're probably a useless parasite if you're the typical person here. I know some real mid-level drug dealers and they're usually troubled people but they have a better sense of justice compared to pricks like you.
coding123 5y ago
Yeah but try to sell a system that records patient data vs drugs.
akudha 5y ago
Not saying you’re wrong (I have never met a drug dealer in real life) but I have a question - shouldn’t it be much easier for drug dealers to sell their product vs say, a furniture salesman? After all, there are no furniture addicts but there are plenty of drug addicts, right?
- xfitm3 5y ago
  Users sometimes have their choice between dealers, so the sales and personality skills will materially impact their reputation and ultimately sales volume. Just because you have a primed customer base at your disposal doesn't mean your duties have been downgraded to being a cashier. You need to be personable, appear tough enough to be too much trouble to rob, reliably have good products, and simple to reach/do business with. There's a reason why Malcolm Gladwell picked the crack business in The Tipping Point. A great book you should read if you ever want to know how analogous drug businesses are to corporate america.
- sokoloff 5y ago
  > I have never met a drug dealer in real life If you’re an adult living in the US, I’d wager you probably have and just didn’t know it.
  - akudha 5y ago
    Woah, that is a very dark view to take
    - 252452d 5y ago
      LOL dude, the only reason it's "dark" is because the government has created a "black" market. I sold cocaine for many years, and now I'm a vegan who travels everywhere by walking or bicycle. In fact I live by a code of not destroying anything that isn't destructive to other ordered (and especially living) matter. You wouldn't know me, because for my own safety I avoid associating with anyone that thinks like you! There are plenty of awful people right here on this website and it's evident from their posts, so you have it wrong if you think drug dealers, some of whom are professional about what is an entirely consensual transaction, are any worse than the typical American slob or FAANG parasite.
ShaneMcGowan 5y ago
Drugs sell themselves
FabHK 5y ago
I'm awfully sorry to have caused offence to the drug dealing community, and rest assured, I don't wish to besmirch their raw sales acumen. The whole point of the joke was that according to this one individual, education is more stressful than drug dealing, thus presumably getting through the education system is a better indicator of stress resistance than drug dealing. (I personally find that hard to believe, but all I know about drug dealing I know from Netflix shows, and The Economist, of course, so what do I know.) FWIW, even if that individual was mistaken, and drug dealing is more stressful than getting a degree, I would still recommend a college grad over a drug dealer for most jobs, if that is all you know about them (individual cases vary).
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sumnole 5y ago

Battleworn grad students have already mastered dealing with stress. They've seen some shit.

nvahalik 5y ago
So have a lot of drug dealers. Many of them have been physically beaten, shot at, shot, stolen from, and lived their lives practically as soldiers from a young age. You can leave but the price is high.
technofiend 5y ago
No doubt! I admire those willing to spend years of their lives working towards a singular goal even when they know all the while a) they will eventually have to carve out some novel approach in their area, and b) defend it to a panel of experts. Well done to all of them. At least in the operations space all the stress is generally transitory; fix the problem and move on. Plus you don't usually schedule outages three years in advance.
yowlingcat 5y ago
Mastering dealing with completely artificial stress isn't a substitute for real work experience. In fact, it gets in the way because as a manager you have to actively coach them into unlearning those unhealthy habits.

jasonhansel 5y ago

> leaving ethics and society aside for a moment A fairly important caveat. (Though, granted, some corporate salespeople may actually be worse for society than drug dealers.)

didericis 5y ago
> some corporate sales agents may actually be worse for society than drug dealers Pharmaceutical sales agents are drug dealers. People sell incredibly dangerous and addictive substances legally all the time. Arguably this site is full of button mashing dopamine dealers. The worst part about illegal drug dealers is not the substance they sell. Dangerous destructive things have value and utility, including the worst drugs (to a degree). It’s the lack of transparency and resultant lack of accountability that does the worst societal harm.
xfitm3 5y ago
This is a charged topic but I do want to point out there is a delta between the actual impact of drugs and the impact that is publicized. In my opinion the war on drugs has little to do with drugs itself and it's more about power and control. Despite the efforts of many governments, including the US government, Pablo Escobar was a force to be reckoned with. His power was built on the drug war.
252452d 5y ago
You're probably a useless parasite if you're the typical person here. I know some real mid-level drug dealers and they're usually troubled people but they have a better sense of justice compared to pricks like you.

coding123 5y ago

Yeah but try to sell a system that records patient data vs drugs.

akudha 5y ago

Not saying you’re wrong (I have never met a drug dealer in real life) but I have a question - shouldn’t it be much easier for drug dealers to sell their product vs say, a furniture salesman? After all, there are no furniture addicts but there are plenty of drug addicts, right?

xfitm3 5y ago
Users sometimes have their choice between dealers, so the sales and personality skills will materially impact their reputation and ultimately sales volume. Just because you have a primed customer base at your disposal doesn't mean your duties have been downgraded to being a cashier. You need to be personable, appear tough enough to be too much trouble to rob, reliably have good products, and simple to reach/do business with. There's a reason why Malcolm Gladwell picked the crack business in The Tipping Point. A great book you should read if you ever want to know how analogous drug businesses are to corporate america.
sokoloff 5y ago
> I have never met a drug dealer in real life If you’re an adult living in the US, I’d wager you probably have and just didn’t know it.
- akudha 5y ago
  Woah, that is a very dark view to take
  - 252452d 5y ago
    LOL dude, the only reason it's "dark" is because the government has created a "black" market. I sold cocaine for many years, and now I'm a vegan who travels everywhere by walking or bicycle. In fact I live by a code of not destroying anything that isn't destructive to other ordered (and especially living) matter. You wouldn't know me, because for my own safety I avoid associating with anyone that thinks like you! There are plenty of awful people right here on this website and it's evident from their posts, so you have it wrong if you think drug dealers, some of whom are professional about what is an entirely consensual transaction, are any worse than the typical American slob or FAANG parasite.

ShaneMcGowan 5y ago

Drugs sell themselves

FabHK 5y ago

I'm awfully sorry to have caused offence to the drug dealing community, and rest assured, I don't wish to besmirch their raw sales acumen. The whole point of the joke was that according to this one individual, education is more stressful than drug dealing, thus presumably getting through the education system is a better indicator of stress resistance than drug dealing. (I personally find that hard to believe, but all I know about drug dealing I know from Netflix shows, and The Economist, of course, so what do I know.) FWIW, even if that individual was mistaken, and drug dealing is more stressful than getting a degree, I would still recommend a college grad over a drug dealer for most jobs, if that is all you know about them (individual cases vary).

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