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I consider Windows trying to wheedle me into getting a Microsoft account or Apple's increasing number of restrictions on controlling my own system to be way mor

I consider Windows trying to wheedle me into getting a Microsoft account or Apple's increasing number of restrictions on controlling my own system to be way more user-hostile than anything the GNU system does.

mschild 5y ago
Yes, but you are not the average user. Most people I know, mostly non-technical users including people playing computer games, simply dont care. Some have MS or Apple accounts, some dont. They simply want to use their devices with as little hassle as possible. They have no idea what a terminal is and dont care to find out.
- wayneftw 5y ago
  I don't think that this guy was trying to present himself as the average user. Obviously the people on this forum are not average users. Simply sharing a point of view does not an argument make.
Ocerge 5y ago
The average user could not care any less. I understand where you're coming from, but the HN archetype is an extreme minority.
ubavic 5y ago
An average computer user can make MS account in 5 minutes. After that, installing and playing some game is a two click process. Experienced Linux user can spend whole weekend configuring drivers, and still be unable to enjoy game. I would say that UX of a first user is much better
- techrat 5y ago
  Uh huh. Ask me how I know you've never used a Linux distribution before. We could easily have an honest debate about operating systems if you didn't decide to be so dishonest about the actual process. Ubuntu itself has less steps during the installation process than Windows 10 does. From there, Software Center, Steam. Click install. Done. Drivers are already installed and don't need to be 'configured.'
  - ubavic 5y ago
    I use both Windows and Linux for a long time, and I tried Steam on both platforms in last two years. On Windows, game installation worked perfectly every single time. On Linux, I firstly needed to instal Xorg (because Steam couldn’t start under wayland). After that I spend whole day configuring drivers (I switched from Noveau to proprietary and then back) because I couldn’t get full performance from my card. As time went by, and I tried more and more games, I regularly needed to apply some ad hoc fixes (if you open protondb you will see that most of games sometimes need manual adjustments). I must say that some games worked perfectly under Linux, but I still can’t recommend Linux to my friends gamers who never seen console in their life (and tbh, even I gave up on Linux gaming, and I just use Windows now). Also I don’t use Ubuntu. I would probably have nicer gaming experience if I did, but for some other reason I don’t want to use it.

mschild 5y ago

Yes, but you are not the average user. Most people I know, mostly non-technical users including people playing computer games, simply dont care. Some have MS or Apple accounts, some dont. They simply want to use their devices with as little hassle as possible. They have no idea what a terminal is and dont care to find out.

wayneftw 5y ago
I don't think that this guy was trying to present himself as the average user. Obviously the people on this forum are not average users. Simply sharing a point of view does not an argument make.

Ocerge 5y ago

The average user could not care any less. I understand where you're coming from, but the HN archetype is an extreme minority.

ubavic 5y ago

An average computer user can make MS account in 5 minutes. After that, installing and playing some game is a two click process. Experienced Linux user can spend whole weekend configuring drivers, and still be unable to enjoy game. I would say that UX of a first user is much better

techrat 5y ago
Uh huh. Ask me how I know you've never used a Linux distribution before. We could easily have an honest debate about operating systems if you didn't decide to be so dishonest about the actual process. Ubuntu itself has less steps during the installation process than Windows 10 does. From there, Software Center, Steam. Click install. Done. Drivers are already installed and don't need to be 'configured.'
- ubavic 5y ago
  I use both Windows and Linux for a long time, and I tried Steam on both platforms in last two years. On Windows, game installation worked perfectly every single time. On Linux, I firstly needed to instal Xorg (because Steam couldn’t start under wayland). After that I spend whole day configuring drivers (I switched from Noveau to proprietary and then back) because I couldn’t get full performance from my card. As time went by, and I tried more and more games, I regularly needed to apply some ad hoc fixes (if you open protondb you will see that most of games sometimes need manual adjustments). I must say that some games worked perfectly under Linux, but I still can’t recommend Linux to my friends gamers who never seen console in their life (and tbh, even I gave up on Linux gaming, and I just use Windows now). Also I don’t use Ubuntu. I would probably have nicer gaming experience if I did, but for some other reason I don’t want to use it.