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I wonder how large the king's ransom was that Intel threw at TSMC to make this happen. Seems like it was necessary given their faltering fab strategy, and faced

by 0xy 5y ago

I wonder how large the king's ransom was that Intel threw at TSMC to make this happen. Seems like it was necessary given their faltering fab strategy, and faced with years of a limping 10nm and 14nm+++++++++ products.

test_epsilon 5y ago
Are you generally asking how much it costs to purchase early slots on leading edge nodes? I'm not sure if being Intel would have made TSMC jack up the price or anything. It is in their interest to get large profitable customers, and it is in their interest to take business away from Intel's fabs. TSMC might well have offered significant discounts or other special treatment to land Intel contracts.
- 0xy 5y ago
  TSMC are experiencing over 100% demand, they don't need to offer discounts. In fact, they stopped giving any discounts months ago even on older processes. Apple has deep pockets and spends heavily to ensure supply chain stability, but we haven't seen this behavior from Intel so I'm curious how big of a price they had to pay was.
  - test_epsilon 5y ago
    > TSMC are experiencing over 100% demand, they don't need to offer discounts. In fact, they stopped giving any discounts months ago even on older processes. I stand by what I wrote. > Apple has deep pockets and spends heavily to ensure supply chain stability, but we haven't seen this behavior from Intel so I'm curious how big of a price they had to pay was. Would obviously highly depend on volumes, timelines they committed to, layers, materials, and specific devices and tweaks they are paying for. Could be less per transistor than Apple, I can't see hwy it would be vastly more (unless we're talking about extremely limited volums).
smoldesu 5y ago
> I wonder how large the king's ransom was that Intel threw at TSMC to make this happen. Probably similar to how much Apple paid to edge out the competition on 5nm.

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I wonder how large the king's ransom was that Intel threw at TSMC to make this happen. Seems like it was necessary given their faltering fab strategy, and faced

by 0xy 5y ago

test_epsilon 5y ago
Are you generally asking how much it costs to purchase early slots on leading edge nodes? I'm not sure if being Intel would have made TSMC jack up the price or anything. It is in their interest to get large profitable customers, and it is in their interest to take business away from Intel's fabs. TSMC might well have offered significant discounts or other special treatment to land Intel contracts.
- 0xy 5y ago
  TSMC are experiencing over 100% demand, they don't need to offer discounts. In fact, they stopped giving any discounts months ago even on older processes. Apple has deep pockets and spends heavily to ensure supply chain stability, but we haven't seen this behavior from Intel so I'm curious how big of a price they had to pay was.
  - test_epsilon 5y ago
    > TSMC are experiencing over 100% demand, they don't need to offer discounts. In fact, they stopped giving any discounts months ago even on older processes. I stand by what I wrote. > Apple has deep pockets and spends heavily to ensure supply chain stability, but we haven't seen this behavior from Intel so I'm curious how big of a price they had to pay was. Would obviously highly depend on volumes, timelines they committed to, layers, materials, and specific devices and tweaks they are paying for. Could be less per transistor than Apple, I can't see hwy it would be vastly more (unless we're talking about extremely limited volums).
smoldesu 5y ago
> I wonder how large the king's ransom was that Intel threw at TSMC to make this happen. Probably similar to how much Apple paid to edge out the competition on 5nm.