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The original claim was that these particular rioters could have actually destroyed the Republic in that moment. I don't disagree that some of them were posing

The original claim was that these particular rioters could have actually destroyed the Republic in that moment. I don't disagree that some of them were posing a threat of bodily harm to the people inside the Capitol, but that's a much different claim. > "Attempted Murder" is a crime for a reason And it is a lesser crime than murder.

HelloMcFly 5y ago
> And it is a lesser crime than murder. As it should be. I never intended to imply otherwise. > The original claim was that these particular capitol rioters could have actually destroyed the republic in that moment. I think there is a reasonable chance that they could have, had the been able to murder the "enemies" on that day. What does that mean or look like? I don't know. But what happens when the only decision-makers left for our Republic are those that tacitly and explicitly supported this action, if not immediately then more and more in hindsight.
- brandonmenc 5y ago
  > I think there is a reasonable chance that they could have, had the been able to murder the "enemies" on that day. If every member of Congress died, would the Republic cease to exist? Probably not. There's a contingency plan for that. > What does that mean or look like? I don't know. The claim can't be made if this can't be answered.
  - HelloMcFly 5y ago
    > If every member of Congress died, would the Republic cease to exist? Probably not. There's a contingency plan for that. Those plans assume good faith leadership. This insurrection was encouraged by the lame duck president and supported by members of Congress that now refuse to investigate it. And it wouldn't have been every member of Congress dead, would it? Those supporting the Big Lie would have been around to govern. Not exactly comforting to me, and I think well within the realm of believabilty for at least the possibility of a permanent change to our Republic as we know it. > The claim can't be made if this can't be answered. On the contrary: the fact that the question can't be answered confidently supports my point rather than refuting it. We don't know what would have happened. It's conceivable or systems would have endured, contingencies enacted, order restored. But there's good reasons to think that may not have happened as well.

HelloMcFly 5y ago

> And it is a lesser crime than murder. As it should be. I never intended to imply otherwise. > The original claim was that these particular capitol rioters could have actually destroyed the republic in that moment. I think there is a reasonable chance that they could have, had the been able to murder the "enemies" on that day. What does that mean or look like? I don't know. But what happens when the only decision-makers left for our Republic are those that tacitly and explicitly supported this action, if not immediately then more and more in hindsight.

brandonmenc 5y ago
> I think there is a reasonable chance that they could have, had the been able to murder the "enemies" on that day. If every member of Congress died, would the Republic cease to exist? Probably not. There's a contingency plan for that. > What does that mean or look like? I don't know. The claim can't be made if this can't be answered.
- HelloMcFly 5y ago
  > If every member of Congress died, would the Republic cease to exist? Probably not. There's a contingency plan for that. Those plans assume good faith leadership. This insurrection was encouraged by the lame duck president and supported by members of Congress that now refuse to investigate it. And it wouldn't have been every member of Congress dead, would it? Those supporting the Big Lie would have been around to govern. Not exactly comforting to me, and I think well within the realm of believabilty for at least the possibility of a permanent change to our Republic as we know it. > The claim can't be made if this can't be answered. On the contrary: the fact that the question can't be answered confidently supports my point rather than refuting it. We don't know what would have happened. It's conceivable or systems would have endured, contingencies enacted, order restored. But there's good reasons to think that may not have happened as well.