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sfpd's data shows that larceny is down compared to last year https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopo

by ruined 5y ago

sfpd's data shows that larceny is down compared to last year https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crime-dashboard https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/stay-safe/crime-data/crim... so, i'm not sure i buy this. there was a similar lack of data around the claims by bay area Walgreens stores. and Walgreens was closing stores at similar or even faster rates in other locations, with no mention of theft.

redis_mlc 5y ago
> claims I live in SF, see shoplifting every time I go out. So the claims are real. Gets fierce 30 minutes before closing at the local Walgreens. Most of the incidents are not reported to police, so the data simply can't be correct. Also, they would need an employee working at each store full-time just to file police reports. Then the police would ignore it since it's under the limit, I believe $950. Sounds like you're one of those Snopes pinheads who think everything can be debunked. And you can blame Kamala "and I haven't been to Europe" Harris for this too. She was a DA here from 2004-2011, when the US' largest crime lab fiasco happened, with 1,000 DNA cases spoiled.
refurb 5y ago
When people are shoplifting several times a day from your store and SFPD doesn’t even show up, how many of those incidents are captured in the data? I had my car broken into twice in SF and never reported it because, nobody cares?
- lazyasciiart 5y ago
  All of them, because you report it to the police every time even if they don't show up, because otherwise youwill be blamed for the missing stock.
  - throwawaysea 5y ago
    Reporting is actually less common than you think for property crimes. None of my neighbors or friends report package thefts, car breakins, etc. For one the police can take hours to respond if they show up at all, especially in cities that are very understaffed like Seattle. Another angle is that insurance claims are simply not worth it because deductibles are high enough and in the end you’ll face higher premiums. And if the police are never going to investigate or arrest someone (or if the city attorneys just release the criminal), what’s the point? For businesses they have similar considerations of the tradeoffs. Here’s an example of a Seattle area grocery chain that had stopped reporting crimes: https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-offenders/ https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-o...
  - refurb 5y ago
    Do you do 8 reports a day? I doubt it. Probably one report that says “multiple shoplifting episodes” and SFPD counts it as one incident. The data capture is terrible.
    - lazyasciiart 5y ago
      Yes, and they probably just track inventory by listing that each shelf contains "several items" once per day, like a corner store in the 1960s.
  - rdtwo 5y ago
    Probably not because there is no value in having employees write meaningless reports and pay them to do it. Seattle PD straight up won’t show up, no matter how much you try, feel free to submit the online I’ve been robbed form if you need it for insurance
    - lazyasciiart 5y ago
      I see you haven't come across the internal processes at large retail operations. They straight up don't care if SPD shows up, because this is about reducing loss from employee theft.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  If the reports are being generated in sufficient detail to inform Target's decision making, they are almost certainly being reported to the police. Because I'm sure Target CCs the police on reports that are for internal consumption (they certainly claim to in the article.)
jjulius 5y ago
Just because it's down doesn't mean that it's not still high enough for businesses to opt to not deal with it.
rsj_hn 5y ago
It's funny how police incidents of larceny fall when they stop responding to calls and refuse to take incident reports.

by ruined 5y ago

redis_mlc 5y ago

> claims I live in SF, see shoplifting every time I go out. So the claims are real. Gets fierce 30 minutes before closing at the local Walgreens. Most of the incidents are not reported to police, so the data simply can't be correct. Also, they would need an employee working at each store full-time just to file police reports. Then the police would ignore it since it's under the limit, I believe $950. Sounds like you're one of those Snopes pinheads who think everything can be debunked. And you can blame Kamala "and I haven't been to Europe" Harris for this too. She was a DA here from 2004-2011, when the US' largest crime lab fiasco happened, with 1,000 DNA cases spoiled.

refurb 5y ago

When people are shoplifting several times a day from your store and SFPD doesn’t even show up, how many of those incidents are captured in the data? I had my car broken into twice in SF and never reported it because, nobody cares?

lazyasciiart 5y ago
All of them, because you report it to the police every time even if they don't show up, because otherwise youwill be blamed for the missing stock.
- throwawaysea 5y ago
  Reporting is actually less common than you think for property crimes. None of my neighbors or friends report package thefts, car breakins, etc. For one the police can take hours to respond if they show up at all, especially in cities that are very understaffed like Seattle. Another angle is that insurance claims are simply not worth it because deductibles are high enough and in the end you’ll face higher premiums. And if the police are never going to investigate or arrest someone (or if the city attorneys just release the criminal), what’s the point? For businesses they have similar considerations of the tradeoffs. Here’s an example of a Seattle area grocery chain that had stopped reporting crimes: https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-offenders/ https://mynorthwest.com/1538741/uwajimaya-seattle-prolific-o...
- refurb 5y ago
  Do you do 8 reports a day? I doubt it. Probably one report that says “multiple shoplifting episodes” and SFPD counts it as one incident. The data capture is terrible.
  - lazyasciiart 5y ago
    Yes, and they probably just track inventory by listing that each shelf contains "several items" once per day, like a corner store in the 1960s.
- rdtwo 5y ago
  Probably not because there is no value in having employees write meaningless reports and pay them to do it. Seattle PD straight up won’t show up, no matter how much you try, feel free to submit the online I’ve been robbed form if you need it for insurance
  - lazyasciiart 5y ago
    I see you haven't come across the internal processes at large retail operations. They straight up don't care if SPD shows up, because this is about reducing loss from employee theft.
HWR_14 5y ago
If the reports are being generated in sufficient detail to inform Target's decision making, they are almost certainly being reported to the police. Because I'm sure Target CCs the police on reports that are for internal consumption (they certainly claim to in the article.)

jjulius 5y ago

Just because it's down doesn't mean that it's not still high enough for businesses to opt to not deal with it.

rsj_hn 5y ago

It's funny how police incidents of larceny fall when they stop responding to calls and refuse to take incident reports.