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> They're just observing that there appears to be an awful lot of bad things happening lately. OK, then present statistics (not you, but everyone who try to co

> They're just observing that there appears to be an awful lot of bad things happening lately. OK, then present statistics (not you, but everyone who try to convince climate change from single incidents). Individual incidents only damage the cause. Fires happened all the time in the last million years. One can't come to correct conclusions about they getting more frequent from their personal observation of news feed. > Just a quick google search leads me to articles like this As I said, I'm not denying climate change, global warming, increased frequency of forest fires etc. Just don't be (not you) religious pro-climate-change fanatic indistinguishable from client-change-denier fanatic. Present data, studies.

lhorie 5y ago
> Fires happened all the time in the last million years No offense, but this sounds awfully like the "temperature rises occurred before" rhetoric, while ignoring magnitude[0] Yes forest fires can be natural, but for this specific one, another comment upthread mentioned it potentially being linked to a history of illegal logging. The melting of the polar cap has been documented fairly thoroughly, and I already mentioned the existence of studies about extreme weather. We know for fact that there's a strong relationship between our polluting ways and arctic ice melting, and that there's a relationship between that and extreme weather events. Hopefully it shouldn't take a PhD to figure out irresponsible human-made logging fires + record high temperatures are a recipe for disaster(tm) Personally, I think we're a little past the "show us the data" territory. "Seriously, WTF?" might be more in order at this point. [0] https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/
- asteroidbelt 5y ago
  No offence, but I'm afraid you didn't read my comment. So I'll repeat it again using different words. Maybe climate change is real, maybe it is not. If it is real, it maybe nothing, maybe dangerous, maybe catastrophic. I have some opinion about that (and I clearly stated it in another comments), but this is not the point here. The point is: stop presenting examples as a proof of that we are all doomed. People who are doing that are not different from people who present individual cases as a proof that everything's fine. Only data, statistics and large scale studies matter.

lhorie 5y ago

> Fires happened all the time in the last million years No offense, but this sounds awfully like the "temperature rises occurred before" rhetoric, while ignoring magnitude[0] Yes forest fires can be natural, but for this specific one, another comment upthread mentioned it potentially being linked to a history of illegal logging. The melting of the polar cap has been documented fairly thoroughly, and I already mentioned the existence of studies about extreme weather. We know for fact that there's a strong relationship between our polluting ways and arctic ice melting, and that there's a relationship between that and extreme weather events. Hopefully it shouldn't take a PhD to figure out irresponsible human-made logging fires + record high temperatures are a recipe for disaster(tm) Personally, I think we're a little past the "show us the data" territory. "Seriously, WTF?" might be more in order at this point. [0] https://xkcd.com/1732/ https://xkcd.com/1732/

asteroidbelt 5y ago
No offence, but I'm afraid you didn't read my comment. So I'll repeat it again using different words. Maybe climate change is real, maybe it is not. If it is real, it maybe nothing, maybe dangerous, maybe catastrophic. I have some opinion about that (and I clearly stated it in another comments), but this is not the point here. The point is: stop presenting examples as a proof of that we are all doomed. People who are doing that are not different from people who present individual cases as a proof that everything's fine. Only data, statistics and large scale studies matter.