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> I’m not entirely sure why hourly wage is supposed to fit in here. Please read the original post I responded to. It explicitly mentions hourly wage which is t

by blix 5y ago

> I’m not entirely sure why hourly wage is supposed to fit in here. Please read the original post I responded to. It explicitly mentions hourly wage which is the only reason I mentioned it at all. I thought their estimate seemed a little high. Thank you for stating your premise, I didn't find it clear in your earlier posts. I don't have strong opinions about how much is enough to bribe someone who makes X as I am not aware of any good sources of data that deal with this question. Maybe a table of attempted bribes with metadata. I'll run some experiments and get back to you.

newbie789 5y ago
I’d suggest a wonderful book called The End of Policing by Alex Vitale. I’ve read it cover to cover many times and it may include some insight that you’d enjoy.
- blix 5y ago
  I appreciate the suggestion :) I will add it to my list. Based on a quick glance at some synopses, it seems the author accurate identifies the role of police in society but perhaps doesn't adequately account for how society would change if the police were removed but the driving force for their existence remained in place.
  - newbie789 5y ago
    I would suggest drawing your own conclusions from the book. It’s exhaustively researched and thoroughly cited, but it’s a topic that gets people worked up so I’m sure that interpretations abound. I’m kind of curious as to what you mean by this: > it seems the author accurate identifies the role of police in society but perhaps doesn't adequately account for how society would change if the police were removed but the driving force for their existence remained in place. You believe that the author has a factual understanding of the current state of police, and at the same time is factually wrong about a hypothetical scenario that has never occurred in American history? (As an aside, I’m not sure what the synopses have led you to believe Vitale is directly advocating for. It’s a very complex book with a lot of nuance. If one’s interpretation is “this is the same exact thing as a ‘defund the police’ or ‘black lives matter’ or ‘coexist’ bumper sticker” then there isn’t really much that can be done to change that opinion.) What authors do you think are correct about a hypothetical future in which something completely unprecedented happens to American society?
    - blix 5y ago
      If the only possible opinions to have about hypothetical events are 'factually correct' and 'factually incorrect,' I don't think you will find many good opinions. I haven't the book and it will take me several months to get to it, so I'd appreciate if you didn't pull random concrete ideas out of my intentionally vague and non-committal statement. Why is it that the people quickest to accuse others of bad faith are the ones that do this?
      - newbie789 5y ago
        My bad. I took “accurate” to mean “correct from my perspective” and “inadequate” to mean “incorrect from my perspective.” Clearly you meant something else, I apologize.

by blix 5y ago

newbie789 5y ago

I’d suggest a wonderful book called The End of Policing by Alex Vitale. I’ve read it cover to cover many times and it may include some insight that you’d enjoy.

blix 5y ago
I appreciate the suggestion :) I will add it to my list. Based on a quick glance at some synopses, it seems the author accurate identifies the role of police in society but perhaps doesn't adequately account for how society would change if the police were removed but the driving force for their existence remained in place.
- newbie789 5y ago
  I would suggest drawing your own conclusions from the book. It’s exhaustively researched and thoroughly cited, but it’s a topic that gets people worked up so I’m sure that interpretations abound. I’m kind of curious as to what you mean by this: > it seems the author accurate identifies the role of police in society but perhaps doesn't adequately account for how society would change if the police were removed but the driving force for their existence remained in place. You believe that the author has a factual understanding of the current state of police, and at the same time is factually wrong about a hypothetical scenario that has never occurred in American history? (As an aside, I’m not sure what the synopses have led you to believe Vitale is directly advocating for. It’s a very complex book with a lot of nuance. If one’s interpretation is “this is the same exact thing as a ‘defund the police’ or ‘black lives matter’ or ‘coexist’ bumper sticker” then there isn’t really much that can be done to change that opinion.) What authors do you think are correct about a hypothetical future in which something completely unprecedented happens to American society?
  - blix 5y ago
    If the only possible opinions to have about hypothetical events are 'factually correct' and 'factually incorrect,' I don't think you will find many good opinions. I haven't the book and it will take me several months to get to it, so I'd appreciate if you didn't pull random concrete ideas out of my intentionally vague and non-committal statement. Why is it that the people quickest to accuse others of bad faith are the ones that do this?
    - newbie789 5y ago
      My bad. I took “accurate” to mean “correct from my perspective” and “inadequate” to mean “incorrect from my perspective.” Clearly you meant something else, I apologize.