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"good cheese is one of life's pleasures" Unfortunately animals are usually harmed for this pleasure.

the_af 5y ago
That's an example of moving the goalpost -- nothing about the comment I was replying to was about animal welfare. In any case, if you don't eat cheese, I'm sorry for your loss. A good cheese and some ham, along with some fine wine! Makes life worth living.
- AussieWog93 5y ago
  >nothing about the comment I was replying to was about animal welfare. Still doesn't invalidate his argument. Animals are harmed to produce dairy (Bobby calves), and this is a valid reason to avoid it.
  - the_af 5y ago
    It kind of does invalidate the argument in the sense of "it's irrelevant because it's not what we're discussing". Arguments are context sensitive, you have to actually make an argument about the thing being discussed, you cannot just react to some keyword in the text and go on a tangent. I take it you also don't enjoy a good cut of cheese with a fine wine? A shame.
    - AussieWog93 5y ago
      >It kind of does invalidate the argument in the sense of "it's irrelevant because it's not what we're discussing". Arguments are context sensitive, you have to actually make an argument about the thing being discussed, you cannot just react to some keyword in the text and go on a tangent. I interpreted the discussion to be about the merits of dairy consumption. Animal welfare is definitely a reason to avoid it, just as cheese being one of the pleasures of life is a reason to eat it. >I take it you also don't enjoy a good cut of cheese with a fine wine? A shame. Mate, I'm a wog. Of course I drink wine. I ate a cheese sandwich 5 minutes ago and can still taste it. I just felt that your invalidation of his argument was weak.
      - the_af 5y ago
        Haha, fair enough. (I had to google "wog", to be honest!)
- jessaustin 5y ago
  Just wait 'til they tell you about ham...
11235813213455 5y ago
The harm is not just about the pain of those animals. Livestock farming pollutes a lot more than plant-pased food, it's a major contribution to global warming. I feel like this is the number 1 concern and argument against livestock farming, global environmental "pain"
- Zababa 5y ago
  The cycle of methane lasts something like 20/30 years. If the number of livestock is constant in the world, their emissions will be too and they won't accumulate. Reducing our consumption of meat would help, especially if we can get all the world on board, but total elimination would be a waste of time and resources.

That's an example of moving the goalpost -- nothing about the comment I was replying to was about animal welfare. In any case, if you don't eat cheese, I'm sorry for your loss. A good cheese and some ham, along with some fine wine! Makes life worth living.

AussieWog93 5y ago
>nothing about the comment I was replying to was about animal welfare. Still doesn't invalidate his argument. Animals are harmed to produce dairy (Bobby calves), and this is a valid reason to avoid it.
- the_af 5y ago
  It kind of does invalidate the argument in the sense of "it's irrelevant because it's not what we're discussing". Arguments are context sensitive, you have to actually make an argument about the thing being discussed, you cannot just react to some keyword in the text and go on a tangent. I take it you also don't enjoy a good cut of cheese with a fine wine? A shame.
  - AussieWog93 5y ago
    >It kind of does invalidate the argument in the sense of "it's irrelevant because it's not what we're discussing". Arguments are context sensitive, you have to actually make an argument about the thing being discussed, you cannot just react to some keyword in the text and go on a tangent. I interpreted the discussion to be about the merits of dairy consumption. Animal welfare is definitely a reason to avoid it, just as cheese being one of the pleasures of life is a reason to eat it. >I take it you also don't enjoy a good cut of cheese with a fine wine? A shame. Mate, I'm a wog. Of course I drink wine. I ate a cheese sandwich 5 minutes ago and can still taste it. I just felt that your invalidation of his argument was weak.
    - the_af 5y ago
      Haha, fair enough. (I had to google "wog", to be honest!)
jessaustin 5y ago
Just wait 'til they tell you about ham...

11235813213455 5y ago

The harm is not just about the pain of those animals. Livestock farming pollutes a lot more than plant-pased food, it's a major contribution to global warming. I feel like this is the number 1 concern and argument against livestock farming, global environmental "pain"

Zababa 5y ago
The cycle of methane lasts something like 20/30 years. If the number of livestock is constant in the world, their emissions will be too and they won't accumulate. Reducing our consumption of meat would help, especially if we can get all the world on board, but total elimination would be a waste of time and resources.