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> Copyleft literally can't exist without copyright. Copyleft (probably?) can't exist without government enforcement. In principle it could be direct rather th
by dllthomas 5y ago
> Copyleft literally can't exist without copyright.
Copyleft (probably?) can't exist without government enforcement. In principle it could be direct rather than by way of copyright.
- kube-system 5y agoIt would never work. To do it directly, you'd have to contract with the other party. Those who don't want to contribute would no longer be compelled to do so, they can simply not accept the contract.
- anoncake 5y agoYou can have state-enforced copyleft without general copyright.
- kube-system 5y agoThen you aren’t arguing for eliminating copyright, you’re arguing for restrictions on copyright. If an author has no right to control the use of their work, they have no right to control the use of their work.
- anoncake 5y ago> general
- dllthomas 5y agoI don't think a system where copying is always permissible under particular copyleft terms, where creators can neither restrict that copying nor grant further/other license, is appropriately referred to as a system of "copyright" - no one possesses a unique right to control copying. Note that I'm not speaking to the advisability of such a system, just pointing out that there's not actually a theoretical dependency as I would use the terms. If we're being loose enough with the term "copyright" that it applies to any possible limitation of copying, then of course copyleft depends on it because we've just defined it to include copyleft - that is not interesting.