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It really doesn't make a difference if covid came from a lab or not, or even whether it was released on purpose or not. No one will stand up to China whether th

It really doesn't make a difference if covid came from a lab or not, or even whether it was released on purpose or not. No one will stand up to China whether they did this on purpose or by gross negligence. So no one will stand up to China. So nothing will change...

aaomidi 5y ago
Better yet, it doesn't matter because supposedly we're spending billions of DoD to actually have plans to defend against a bio weapon attack. Where is the RoI on that? We failed miserably.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  Like the majority of DOD spending, all promise and no delivery. We're still building aircraft carriers while hackers cut off the utilities...
GordonS 5y ago
Could China have handled this better? Hell yes. The thing is though, I seriously doubt the end result would have been any different if the virus has first come about in any other country. Imagine that the virus has first been discovered in Atlanta (first US city that came to mind) - would officials really be brave enough to have a hard, immediate lockdown, with all the economic hardships that would entail, and with all the problems of getting a doubting populace on onboard? (keeping in mind that Trump's initial reaction was to denounce the very notion of a serious virus as a "hoax")
- DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
  > would officials really be brave enough to have a hard, immediate lockdown To ask the question is to know the answer. Just imagine a public health official trying to convince the mayor or governor to quarantine a city of millions of people, based on a small number of pneumonia cases.
- LatteLazy 5y ago
  I wasn't really referring to their reaction to covid, rather their creation of covid. Leaving aside the Lab origin theories, Covid 19 never would have happened if China had hygienic food supply-chains and banned wet markets. That's where other zoonotic diseases have come from in recent years from China (SARS is the biggest example). They closed the markets, new viruses stopped happening and everything was fine. Then they opened the markets again and we got covid 19. China is like a drink driver who already hit someone and refused to stop drunk driving and hit another person. Right now no one wants to make them stop driving. So I guess we'll just keep getting pandemics? Covid 19 is really just SARS 2.0. That's what really gets me here (sorry, I'm ranting now). China knew this would happen. Everyone did. And they did it anyway. And now everyone is pretending like it was bad luck or something!? This is literally why every other major, industrial country has food hygiene laws and minimal "Bush meat". Thanks for listening to me shout into the wind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr... Edit: I wonder if one of the reasons china is so unwilling to engage is to encourage people to think it was a bio-weapon accident (we'll never stop that happening) rather than just "the CCP is too weak and lazy to say no to old people who want bat soup". Conspiracy within the conspiracy! But I'm an idiot so probably not...
deelowe 5y ago
The article is specifically discussing concerns with us funding of this sort of research. That is something that can change.
908B64B197 5y ago
If it makes no difference, why obstruct investigations and attempt to conceal data? [0] [1] Why not simply collaborate and cooperate with the authorities in finding the truth? After all, they are 100% convinced the origin of the virus is natural... [0] https://www.newsweek.com/china-calls-us-investigation-covid-lab-leak-theory-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-1598978 https://www.newsweek.com/china-calls-us-investigation-covid-... [1] https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-virologist-says-fauci-emails-verify-her-lab-leak-claims/ https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-virologist-says-fauci-...

aaomidi 5y ago

Better yet, it doesn't matter because supposedly we're spending billions of DoD to actually have plans to defend against a bio weapon attack. Where is the RoI on that? We failed miserably.

LatteLazy 5y ago
Like the majority of DOD spending, all promise and no delivery. We're still building aircraft carriers while hackers cut off the utilities...

GordonS 5y ago

Could China have handled this better? Hell yes. The thing is though, I seriously doubt the end result would have been any different if the virus has first come about in any other country. Imagine that the virus has first been discovered in Atlanta (first US city that came to mind) - would officials really be brave enough to have a hard, immediate lockdown, with all the economic hardships that would entail, and with all the problems of getting a doubting populace on onboard? (keeping in mind that Trump's initial reaction was to denounce the very notion of a serious virus as a "hoax")

DiogenesKynikos 5y ago
> would officials really be brave enough to have a hard, immediate lockdown To ask the question is to know the answer. Just imagine a public health official trying to convince the mayor or governor to quarantine a city of millions of people, based on a small number of pneumonia cases.
LatteLazy 5y ago
I wasn't really referring to their reaction to covid, rather their creation of covid. Leaving aside the Lab origin theories, Covid 19 never would have happened if China had hygienic food supply-chains and banned wet markets. That's where other zoonotic diseases have come from in recent years from China (SARS is the biggest example). They closed the markets, new viruses stopped happening and everything was fine. Then they opened the markets again and we got covid 19. China is like a drink driver who already hit someone and refused to stop drunk driving and hit another person. Right now no one wants to make them stop driving. So I guess we'll just keep getting pandemics? Covid 19 is really just SARS 2.0. That's what really gets me here (sorry, I'm ranting now). China knew this would happen. Everyone did. And they did it anyway. And now everyone is pretending like it was bad luck or something!? This is literally why every other major, industrial country has food hygiene laws and minimal "Bush meat". Thanks for listening to me shout into the wind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndr... Edit: I wonder if one of the reasons china is so unwilling to engage is to encourage people to think it was a bio-weapon accident (we'll never stop that happening) rather than just "the CCP is too weak and lazy to say no to old people who want bat soup". Conspiracy within the conspiracy! But I'm an idiot so probably not...

deelowe 5y ago

The article is specifically discussing concerns with us funding of this sort of research. That is something that can change.

908B64B197 5y ago

If it makes no difference, why obstruct investigations and attempt to conceal data? [0] [1] Why not simply collaborate and cooperate with the authorities in finding the truth? After all, they are 100% convinced the origin of the virus is natural... [0] https://www.newsweek.com/china-calls-us-investigation-covid-lab-leak-theory-ridiculous-conspiracy-theory-1598978 https://www.newsweek.com/china-calls-us-investigation-covid-... [1] https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-virologist-says-fauci-emails-verify-her-lab-leak-claims/ https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/chinese-virologist-says-fauci-...