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You can certainly choose where to live and travel though based on these reviews.

easterncalculus 5y ago
You can certainly also make that choice based on information from legitimate channels. People in LA don't need to have input on police departments that they'll never run into.
- jonathankoren 5y ago
  You do realize that cops -- especially bad cops -- change departments all the time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happens-when-police-officer-gets-fired-very-often-another-police-agency-hires-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happ...
  - easterncalculus 5y ago
    I'm very aware of this practice, but once again it doesn't justify this website. It needs to be handled by the city in question. They can write their own policies and have autonomy, instead of everything coming down to online hearsay.
    - rOOb85 5y ago
      Except cities and agencies are choosing not to implement things like this. And they even go as far as keeping this information secret from the public.
      - easterncalculus 5y ago
        The government not taking the 'right' option is not an argument for the creation of this website. Having the authorities run it instead of some random people (trolls, extremists, foreign intelligence, who knows) is not the same.
        jonathankoren 5y ago
        You're clutching a lot pearls here, but has there been any evidence for any of this every happening? There's mountains of evidence of how bad cops are protected by the union, the government policy, and even legally (hello qualified immunity, and repeated court deference). Given the official reticence to hold officers to even the lowest standards of professionalism, what is your alternative? Throw up our collective hands?
        easterncalculus 5y ago
        > You're clutching a lot pearls here, but has there been any evidence for any of this every happening? That idiom doesn't make sense to me in this context, there's no cultural issue or whatnot. It's about seeing how unverified claims can hurt people, which you don't need a crystal ball or peer reviewed study to tell you. It's also about the burden of proof - why do I need to point to tons of instances of these kinds of sites ruining innocent people's lives, but we should all expect what's posted here to be true without 'evidence'? > There's mountains of evidence of how bad cops are protected by the union, the government policy, and even legally (hello qualified immunity, and repeated court deference). "The police" are not some monolithic entity, with one single union or one single government, at least in the United States which this site is obviously directed at. Different unions and departments conduct themselves differently, and a lot of them don't have these problems. > Given the official reticence to hold officers to even the lowest standards of professionalism, what is your alternative? Throw up our collective hands? This is another fallacy - people that see the obvious problems with unverified claims on the internet are not required to give you solutions to whatever problem the latest example website is claiming to help solve. That being said, I can choose to answer that question as the separate topic it is. My answer is stronger hiring practices and when the rubber hits the road, federal enforcement. There are police departments that don't have these problems. Americans have civil rights and federal law enforcement is supposed to protect them, even and especially from state governments when those are violated. More money needs to be spent, and for a lot of departments they just need to wipe the force.
        jonathankoren 5y ago
judge2020 5y ago
The chance of these reviews turning out to be unbiased is quite literally 0%, and the chance of them being useful when determining where to live is maybe 0.1%.

You can certainly also make that choice based on information from legitimate channels. People in LA don't need to have input on police departments that they'll never run into.

jonathankoren 5y ago
You do realize that cops -- especially bad cops -- change departments all the time. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happens-when-police-officer-gets-fired-very-often-another-police-agency-hires-them/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/06/16/what-happ...
- easterncalculus 5y ago
  I'm very aware of this practice, but once again it doesn't justify this website. It needs to be handled by the city in question. They can write their own policies and have autonomy, instead of everything coming down to online hearsay.
  - rOOb85 5y ago
    Except cities and agencies are choosing not to implement things like this. And they even go as far as keeping this information secret from the public.
    - easterncalculus 5y ago
      The government not taking the 'right' option is not an argument for the creation of this website. Having the authorities run it instead of some random people (trolls, extremists, foreign intelligence, who knows) is not the same.
      - jonathankoren 5y ago
        You're clutching a lot pearls here, but has there been any evidence for any of this every happening? There's mountains of evidence of how bad cops are protected by the union, the government policy, and even legally (hello qualified immunity, and repeated court deference). Given the official reticence to hold officers to even the lowest standards of professionalism, what is your alternative? Throw up our collective hands?
        easterncalculus 5y ago
        > You're clutching a lot pearls here, but has there been any evidence for any of this every happening? That idiom doesn't make sense to me in this context, there's no cultural issue or whatnot. It's about seeing how unverified claims can hurt people, which you don't need a crystal ball or peer reviewed study to tell you. It's also about the burden of proof - why do I need to point to tons of instances of these kinds of sites ruining innocent people's lives, but we should all expect what's posted here to be true without 'evidence'? > There's mountains of evidence of how bad cops are protected by the union, the government policy, and even legally (hello qualified immunity, and repeated court deference). "The police" are not some monolithic entity, with one single union or one single government, at least in the United States which this site is obviously directed at. Different unions and departments conduct themselves differently, and a lot of them don't have these problems. > Given the official reticence to hold officers to even the lowest standards of professionalism, what is your alternative? Throw up our collective hands? This is another fallacy - people that see the obvious problems with unverified claims on the internet are not required to give you solutions to whatever problem the latest example website is claiming to help solve. That being said, I can choose to answer that question as the separate topic it is. My answer is stronger hiring practices and when the rubber hits the road, federal enforcement. There are police departments that don't have these problems. Americans have civil rights and federal law enforcement is supposed to protect them, even and especially from state governments when those are violated. More money needs to be spent, and for a lot of departments they just need to wipe the force.
        jonathankoren 5y ago

judge2020 5y ago

The chance of these reviews turning out to be unbiased is quite literally 0%, and the chance of them being useful when determining where to live is maybe 0.1%.