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What is the point of this if it omits the step where you can choose not to use someone's services if you don't like their rating?

tyingq 5y ago
It sets up the launch of the companion site where you buy improved service.
- haroldp 5y ago
  My city has a monopoly contract with one provider. I don't get to choose.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    Oh, no, not like that. It helps you understand when you might need to let a $100 fall out of your wallet when you're pulled over.
    - haroldp 5y ago
      What's $100 to a dude making over $100 per hour?
      - blix 5y ago
        Assuming a 40hr/wk schedule, the average salary for police officers in the usa ($70k) works out to about $33/hr with about half making less (likely more depending on the skew in the distribution). There are job postings for usa police listing ~30k yearly salary, which comes to about $15/hr. Probably some new recruits end up in the typical situation of salaried workers and work significnatly more than 40 hours. I bet $100 could seem pretty nice.
        newbie789 5y ago
        > Assuming a 40hr/wk schedule… A lot of police officers work a lot of overtime hours, for example in Oakland one officer averaged a half a million dollars per year. (1) I’m not sure exactly what his hourly wage worked out to, but I’ll agree with the overall sentiment that somebody making that much money would not likely be swayed by $100. 1 https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-police-average-30-million-a-year-in-overtime-one-officer-racked-up-nearly-2-5m-in-5-years https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-police-average-30-million-...
        blix 5y ago
        I'd be wary of extrapolating from one exceptional person in the bay area to the entire country... Probably most cops aren't the single highest paid person in their municipality.
        newbie789 5y ago
        Here are more articles and studies on this topic. I didn’t extrapolate from one example, I just used one in my post (this is why I used the phrase “for example”) https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-police-officers-overworked-cops.html https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-police-officers-overwo... https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/polic... https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-lender-police-pay-20161208-column.html https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-lender-police-pay-2... https://www.marketplace.org/2020/07/03/police-departments-have-spent-millions-in-overtime-during-protests/ https://www.marketplace.org/2020/07/03/police-departments-ha... https://www.foxnews.com/us/15-portland-police-officers-see-large-earnings-largely-driven-by-overtime-amid-protests https://www.foxnews.com/us/15-portland-police-officers-see-l... I’d personally be wary of extrapolating “this webpage says that some police officers that make less money than others” to “$100 is a significant amount of money for an average cop.”
        blix 5y ago
        For your example you picked the highest paid officer in one of the richest areas in the state where police officers make the most money. It does seem that police in California make a ton of money, but it's really not representative of the entire country. Take a look at that Forbes link you posted. Despite reading your articles, I still don't think $100/hr is a reasonable approximation of an average cop's hourly rate, and thats before getting into the fact that the guy making half a million for watching Warriors games is probably not the guy pulling you over.
        haroldp 5y ago
        Base salary is a fraction of what cops earn. Indeed, it is a way to hide what they actually earn. Check this out: Deputy Jason Wood is the sort of shitty cop that I would like to avoid based on his poor ratings from interactions with my community. He can be heard in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4iEjycDCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4iEjycDCw repeatedly urging his dog to attack a suspect who was on his knees with his hands in the air. He subsequently got a DUI https://mynews4.com/news/local/washoe-county-deputy-charged-with-dui https://mynews4.com/news/local/washoe-county-deputy-charged-.... Deputy Jason Wood is still a Washoe County Sheriff's deputy today, and indeed has been promoted since those incidents. We paid him $242,000 https://transparentnevada.com/salaries/2020/washoe/jason-d-wood/ https://transparentnevada.com/salaries/2020/washoe/jason-d-w... in total compensation last year - plus we paid the guy in that video $17,500 for the mauling and beating. He also shot a guy to death in 2014, but there was no video of that and police investigated themselves and determined that there was no wrongdoing. If you want to do some naive math, $242k divided by 40hr/week divided by 52 weeks/year is $116/hr in total compensation. Oh he got a second DUI this year too.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        I lived in a state where the median salary for cops was over $108k before overtime, benefits and bonuses. Many cops made over $250k+ a year with overtime. Some of them retire after 20 years with $250k a year pensions that municipalities are liable for.
        blix 5y ago
        Based on a sibling comment's data, the only state that comes close to that level is California. I think this is reflective more of the messed up economics of the state than anything else. If this guess is incorrect please let me know which state so I can update my model. There's no denying being a senior cop is a good gig, but probably the gig of an average cop is a little more mundane. In many municipalities the highest paid public sector employee is a cop, but only a very small number of cops reach this status.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        Here's one state with median cop salaries being ~$105k[1] a year. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...
        blix 5y ago
        Thanks. Forbes-via-BLS reports $89k average for the same time period, but it seems they are not including overtime. A ~20% increase in median pay from overtime is pretty substantial. It'd be interesting to see nominal and actual compared by state.
      - colinmhayes 5y ago
        an hour of work
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        There was a cop in one state who was caught taking $20 and $50 bribes from people. He was making over $200k a year. It's not about money, it's about power.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      This doesn’t really work in the US (thankfully). You gotta go far, far bigger and it not be a traffic ticket for that to work. Think cartel.
asteroidbelt 5y ago
The stated goal on the website is good: better accountability. But I’m afraid the proposed solution may lead to doxxing and threatening of police officers and their family members, ie 2021 style mob rule. The correct solution would be more legislation requiring police to disclose whatever it should disclose. The law should define the level of police transparency, not anonymous justice warriors.
timcambrant 5y ago
”Warning: The officer approaching you has a RateOurCops rating of 1.6. Do not make any sudden movements. Use old english language and manners. Attempt to turn caucasian. Good luck.”
- sparker72678 5y ago
  Good advice for any law enforcement encounter.
- ignoranceprior 5y ago
  > Use old english language Hwæt, weardmann! Hwæt is sēo ġedrēfednes?
jonathankoren 5y ago
It's a political tool to highlight abusive behavior, and thus exert pressure for police reform. However if that is too abstract for you, an individual's legal team could use this tool determine if an arresting officer has a history of abuse and police perjury. I imagine the impetus for this comes from the widespread accounts of cops that have long histories of abusive behavior and evidence tampering being tolerated and indeed covered up by the police. In fact in many states, disciplinary records are secret, and indeed there are moves in several states to make independently documenting abusive police encounters a criminal offense.
- easterncalculus 5y ago
  > an individual's legal team could use this tool determine if an arresting officer has a history of abuse and police perjury. No self-respecting attorney would ever trust a third-party site with zero verification. You would literally get more accurate information from Twitter or Facebook. > I imagine the impetus for this comes from the widespread accounts of cops that have long histories of abusive behavior and evidence tampering being tolerated and indeed covered up by the police. All of these issues are only going to be correctly handled by legitimate authorities anyways, this site doesn't actually solve anything. Anything posted here can be safely ignored. If anything, this site's layout should just be translated to an official city's website for handling complaints, so that they can spend the money to use it and make it effective.
  - heavyset_go 5y ago
    > No self-respecting attorney would ever trust a third-party site with zero verification. You would literally get more accurate information from Twitter or Facebook. Of course they wouldn't, but now they have leads they can reach out to and verify. And if they want to give testimony, and the court will hear them, then they can do so under the threat of perjury. > All of these issues are only going to be correctly handled by legitimate authorities anyways, this site doesn't actually solve anything Except this hasn't been the case. There are plenty of examples of abuse of power by law enforcement being brushed under the rug by authorities until the public or their team of lawyers pressured them into doing something about it.

tyingq 5y ago

It sets up the launch of the companion site where you buy improved service.

haroldp 5y ago
My city has a monopoly contract with one provider. I don't get to choose.
- tyingq 5y ago
  Oh, no, not like that. It helps you understand when you might need to let a $100 fall out of your wallet when you're pulled over.
  - haroldp 5y ago
    What's $100 to a dude making over $100 per hour?
    - blix 5y ago
      Assuming a 40hr/wk schedule, the average salary for police officers in the usa ($70k) works out to about $33/hr with about half making less (likely more depending on the skew in the distribution). There are job postings for usa police listing ~30k yearly salary, which comes to about $15/hr. Probably some new recruits end up in the typical situation of salaried workers and work significnatly more than 40 hours. I bet $100 could seem pretty nice.
      - newbie789 5y ago
        > Assuming a 40hr/wk schedule… A lot of police officers work a lot of overtime hours, for example in Oakland one officer averaged a half a million dollars per year. (1) I’m not sure exactly what his hourly wage worked out to, but I’ll agree with the overall sentiment that somebody making that much money would not likely be swayed by $100. 1 https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-police-average-30-million-a-year-in-overtime-one-officer-racked-up-nearly-2-5m-in-5-years https://www.ktvu.com/news/oakland-police-average-30-million-...
        blix 5y ago
        I'd be wary of extrapolating from one exceptional person in the bay area to the entire country... Probably most cops aren't the single highest paid person in their municipality.
        newbie789 5y ago
        Here are more articles and studies on this topic. I didn’t extrapolate from one example, I just used one in my post (this is why I used the phrase “for example”) https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-police-officers-overworked-cops.html https://www.governing.com/archive/gov-police-officers-overwo... https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/police-officer-salary-state/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewdepietro/2020/04/23/polic... https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-lender-police-pay-20161208-column.html https://www.courant.com/breaking-news/hc-lender-police-pay-2... https://www.marketplace.org/2020/07/03/police-departments-have-spent-millions-in-overtime-during-protests/ https://www.marketplace.org/2020/07/03/police-departments-ha... https://www.foxnews.com/us/15-portland-police-officers-see-large-earnings-largely-driven-by-overtime-amid-protests https://www.foxnews.com/us/15-portland-police-officers-see-l... I’d personally be wary of extrapolating “this webpage says that some police officers that make less money than others” to “$100 is a significant amount of money for an average cop.”
        blix 5y ago
        For your example you picked the highest paid officer in one of the richest areas in the state where police officers make the most money. It does seem that police in California make a ton of money, but it's really not representative of the entire country. Take a look at that Forbes link you posted. Despite reading your articles, I still don't think $100/hr is a reasonable approximation of an average cop's hourly rate, and thats before getting into the fact that the guy making half a million for watching Warriors games is probably not the guy pulling you over.
      - haroldp 5y ago
        Base salary is a fraction of what cops earn. Indeed, it is a way to hide what they actually earn. Check this out: Deputy Jason Wood is the sort of shitty cop that I would like to avoid based on his poor ratings from interactions with my community. He can be heard in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4iEjycDCw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4iEjycDCw repeatedly urging his dog to attack a suspect who was on his knees with his hands in the air. He subsequently got a DUI https://mynews4.com/news/local/washoe-county-deputy-charged-with-dui https://mynews4.com/news/local/washoe-county-deputy-charged-.... Deputy Jason Wood is still a Washoe County Sheriff's deputy today, and indeed has been promoted since those incidents. We paid him $242,000 https://transparentnevada.com/salaries/2020/washoe/jason-d-wood/ https://transparentnevada.com/salaries/2020/washoe/jason-d-w... in total compensation last year - plus we paid the guy in that video $17,500 for the mauling and beating. He also shot a guy to death in 2014, but there was no video of that and police investigated themselves and determined that there was no wrongdoing. If you want to do some naive math, $242k divided by 40hr/week divided by 52 weeks/year is $116/hr in total compensation. Oh he got a second DUI this year too.
      - heavyset_go 5y ago
        I lived in a state where the median salary for cops was over $108k before overtime, benefits and bonuses. Many cops made over $250k+ a year with overtime. Some of them retire after 20 years with $250k a year pensions that municipalities are liable for.
        blix 5y ago
        Based on a sibling comment's data, the only state that comes close to that level is California. I think this is reflective more of the messed up economics of the state than anything else. If this guess is incorrect please let me know which state so I can update my model. There's no denying being a senior cop is a good gig, but probably the gig of an average cop is a little more mundane. In many municipalities the highest paid public sector employee is a cop, but only a very small number of cops reach this status.
        heavyset_go 5y ago
        Here's one state with median cop salaries being ~$105k[1] a year. [1] https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_salary_in_your_town.html https://www.nj.com/news/2017/05/how_much_is_the_median_cop_s...
        blix 5y ago
        Thanks. Forbes-via-BLS reports $89k average for the same time period, but it seems they are not including overtime. A ~20% increase in median pay from overtime is pretty substantial. It'd be interesting to see nominal and actual compared by state.
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      an hour of work
    - heavyset_go 5y ago
      There was a cop in one state who was caught taking $20 and $50 bribes from people. He was making over $200k a year. It's not about money, it's about power.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    This doesn’t really work in the US (thankfully). You gotta go far, far bigger and it not be a traffic ticket for that to work. Think cartel.

asteroidbelt 5y ago

The stated goal on the website is good: better accountability. But I’m afraid the proposed solution may lead to doxxing and threatening of police officers and their family members, ie 2021 style mob rule. The correct solution would be more legislation requiring police to disclose whatever it should disclose. The law should define the level of police transparency, not anonymous justice warriors.

timcambrant 5y ago

”Warning: The officer approaching you has a RateOurCops rating of 1.6. Do not make any sudden movements. Use old english language and manners. Attempt to turn caucasian. Good luck.”

sparker72678 5y ago
Good advice for any law enforcement encounter.
ignoranceprior 5y ago
> Use old english language Hwæt, weardmann! Hwæt is sēo ġedrēfednes?

jonathankoren 5y ago

It's a political tool to highlight abusive behavior, and thus exert pressure for police reform. However if that is too abstract for you, an individual's legal team could use this tool determine if an arresting officer has a history of abuse and police perjury. I imagine the impetus for this comes from the widespread accounts of cops that have long histories of abusive behavior and evidence tampering being tolerated and indeed covered up by the police. In fact in many states, disciplinary records are secret, and indeed there are moves in several states to make independently documenting abusive police encounters a criminal offense.

easterncalculus 5y ago
> an individual's legal team could use this tool determine if an arresting officer has a history of abuse and police perjury. No self-respecting attorney would ever trust a third-party site with zero verification. You would literally get more accurate information from Twitter or Facebook. > I imagine the impetus for this comes from the widespread accounts of cops that have long histories of abusive behavior and evidence tampering being tolerated and indeed covered up by the police. All of these issues are only going to be correctly handled by legitimate authorities anyways, this site doesn't actually solve anything. Anything posted here can be safely ignored. If anything, this site's layout should just be translated to an official city's website for handling complaints, so that they can spend the money to use it and make it effective.
- heavyset_go 5y ago
  > No self-respecting attorney would ever trust a third-party site with zero verification. You would literally get more accurate information from Twitter or Facebook. Of course they wouldn't, but now they have leads they can reach out to and verify. And if they want to give testimony, and the court will hear them, then they can do so under the threat of perjury. > All of these issues are only going to be correctly handled by legitimate authorities anyways, this site doesn't actually solve anything Except this hasn't been the case. There are plenty of examples of abuse of power by law enforcement being brushed under the rug by authorities until the public or their team of lawyers pressured them into doing something about it.