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So don't pay your taxes and refuse to leave your property. Sooner or later, men with guns will show up.

bena 5y ago
Don't pay your mortgage/rent and that will also happen. Because that's what happens when owe money that you don't pay. You chose where to live when you bought that property. That choosing is an implicit agreement with the government of that area to pay them taxes in exchange for certain services (schools, roads, police, fire, etc). And you are part of that choice whenever elections come up. Sure, you may vote 'No' on every tax increase, but that doesn't exempt you. Because, once again, as part of the agreement you implicitly made, you agreed to abide by the decision of the group in order to live in the area.
- AnimalMuppet 5y ago
  > Because that's what happens when owe money that you don't pay. When you owe money that you don't pay, and you refuse the normal first consequence (eviction).
  - bena 5y ago
    That applies to what the person I responded to as well. So my statement still is fine within that context. Taxes aren't some special category of owed money that carries with it a unique consequence.
    - WincysWife 5y ago
      If you don't pay income taxes they might throw you in jail. No private debtor can do that.
      - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
        If you don't pay your mortgage, and you refuse to leave, they might still throw you in jail. Ditto if you don't pay your car loan, and you try to keep them from taking the car.
- dantheman 5y ago
  Don't pay off the mob, and they show up because that what happens when you owe money that you don't pay.
  - bena 5y ago
    Equating the government with the mob and taxes with extortion are also thought terminating cliches. Do you ever wonder why you have to make such hyperbolic analogies to even come close to a point?
    - dantheman 5y ago
      There are very few interactions where someone comes up to you without your consent and demands money at the threat of force. If anyone other than the government tries to do that we'd call it theft. Look at how the Amish were able to opt out of social security.
      - jdlshore 5y ago
        I can’t agree. There are many interactions in which payment is expected, and, if not provided, you will be threatened with force. I.e., eating at a restaurant. A lot of people decided, before you were born, that people living in your location would pay taxes. You or your parents chose for you to be subject to those rules when you moved there or were born. By continuing to live there, you subjected yourself to those rules. If you don’t agree, you can move somewhere else. However, part of those rules means you may have to give up something you value in exchange—citizenship, the right to vote on the rules, property, exit taxes, etc. Unfortunately for you, there is no desirable place on this planet that doesn’t follow this “our land, our rules” approach. Most of them are very picky about who can be citizens. Luckily for you, you’re one of the privileged few who gets to live in one of the good places. (I presume, since you’re commenting here.) You call taxes theft. I call NOT paying taxes theft—taking from the common good we and generations before us have all worked to establish.
        WincysWife 5y ago

bena 5y ago

Don't pay your mortgage/rent and that will also happen. Because that's what happens when owe money that you don't pay. You chose where to live when you bought that property. That choosing is an implicit agreement with the government of that area to pay them taxes in exchange for certain services (schools, roads, police, fire, etc). And you are part of that choice whenever elections come up. Sure, you may vote 'No' on every tax increase, but that doesn't exempt you. Because, once again, as part of the agreement you implicitly made, you agreed to abide by the decision of the group in order to live in the area.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
> Because that's what happens when owe money that you don't pay. When you owe money that you don't pay, and you refuse the normal first consequence (eviction).
- bena 5y ago
  That applies to what the person I responded to as well. So my statement still is fine within that context. Taxes aren't some special category of owed money that carries with it a unique consequence.
  - WincysWife 5y ago
    If you don't pay income taxes they might throw you in jail. No private debtor can do that.
    - AnimalMuppet 5y ago
      If you don't pay your mortgage, and you refuse to leave, they might still throw you in jail. Ditto if you don't pay your car loan, and you try to keep them from taking the car.
dantheman 5y ago
Don't pay off the mob, and they show up because that what happens when you owe money that you don't pay.
- bena 5y ago
  Equating the government with the mob and taxes with extortion are also thought terminating cliches. Do you ever wonder why you have to make such hyperbolic analogies to even come close to a point?
  - dantheman 5y ago
    There are very few interactions where someone comes up to you without your consent and demands money at the threat of force. If anyone other than the government tries to do that we'd call it theft. Look at how the Amish were able to opt out of social security.
    - jdlshore 5y ago
      I can’t agree. There are many interactions in which payment is expected, and, if not provided, you will be threatened with force. I.e., eating at a restaurant. A lot of people decided, before you were born, that people living in your location would pay taxes. You or your parents chose for you to be subject to those rules when you moved there or were born. By continuing to live there, you subjected yourself to those rules. If you don’t agree, you can move somewhere else. However, part of those rules means you may have to give up something you value in exchange—citizenship, the right to vote on the rules, property, exit taxes, etc. Unfortunately for you, there is no desirable place on this planet that doesn’t follow this “our land, our rules” approach. Most of them are very picky about who can be citizens. Luckily for you, you’re one of the privileged few who gets to live in one of the good places. (I presume, since you’re commenting here.) You call taxes theft. I call NOT paying taxes theft—taking from the common good we and generations before us have all worked to establish.
      - WincysWife 5y ago