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As long as Senators are carrying snowballs into the Senate to "disprove" global warming I think that it's quite fair to point out specific issues in the other d

by munk-a 5y ago

As long as Senators are carrying snowballs into the Senate to "disprove" global warming I think that it's quite fair to point out specific issues in the other direction even if they don't actually indicate climate change. Climate change is likely going to cause extreme situations to become more common place - shining a light on specific disasters and making it clear, from a media perspective, that they are becoming more extreme and more frequent is likely going to be a lot more effective in convincing the general populace than the technically correct argument. (Below is an edit in response to a dead reply which represents a not-insignificant viewpoint) In response specifically to "destroying credibility" - if media organizations want to act responsibly and highlight that these events are likely results of climate change due to their frequency while also admitting that similar events would occur without any climate just but with much lower frequency and potency then I'd be extremely pleased with the job the media is doing. The Mark Twain saying "A lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots" is extremely relevant - lies are being actively spread in the media and they need to be countered somehow. And, at the end of the day, it isn't false to say these events are related to climate change - it's just that a few happening occasionally isn't a good metric to go by.

myfavoritedog 5y ago
So all the talk about “weather isn’t climate” is only true when you aren’t trying to convince the gullible masses? Just like when Fauci and others went back and forth on mask recommendations, these “noble lies” only serve to destroy the credibility of scientists doing good work.
koheripbal 5y ago
This isn't a rational position. "As long as the other side uses illogical arguments, then I should use illogical arguments as well." It also helps extremists frame the conversation, whereas we should be rewarding rational nuanced conversations. Don't give in to the theatrics. Don't get suckered into trying to counter one extremist argument with the other. Empower those of us who are rational by marginalizing extremist and hyperbolic participants.

by munk-a 5y ago

myfavoritedog 5y ago

So all the talk about “weather isn’t climate” is only true when you aren’t trying to convince the gullible masses? Just like when Fauci and others went back and forth on mask recommendations, these “noble lies” only serve to destroy the credibility of scientists doing good work.

koheripbal 5y ago

This isn't a rational position. "As long as the other side uses illogical arguments, then I should use illogical arguments as well." It also helps extremists frame the conversation, whereas we should be rewarding rational nuanced conversations. Don't give in to the theatrics. Don't get suckered into trying to counter one extremist argument with the other. Empower those of us who are rational by marginalizing extremist and hyperbolic participants.