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This doesn’t really address what I was saying. Anecdotal stories of people feeling better only eating meat aren’t useful for the discussion. Besides, even if w

This doesn’t really address what I was saying. Anecdotal stories of people feeling better only eating meat aren’t useful for the discussion. Besides, even if we accept your premise that nutritional data are unhelpful in understanding the effectiveness of any diet, this can said of both plant-based and carnist diets, meaning we can’t say one or the other is better, or worse, or more or less nutritious. In that case, I think we should then choose the diet which we definitively know causes the least suffering. I have no reason whatsoever to believe that someone feeling good on a carnist diet but bad on a plant based diet is anything other than not knowing how to have a balanced plant based diet, which is easy to do when armed with the knowledge.

Zababa 5y ago
> Anecdotal stories of people feeling better only eating meat aren’t useful for the discussion. That's where we disagree. I think they are because I think we underestimate the differences between people. > Besides, even if we accept your premise that nutritional data are unhelpful in understanding the effectiveness of any diet, this can said of both plant-based and carnist diets, meaning we can’t say one or the other is better, or worse, or more or less nutritious. Again I disagree. My conclusion is that everyone should experiment with different kinds of diet and see what works. We may not know at the humanity level, but we can learn more at the individual level. > In that case, I think we should then choose the diet which we definitively know causes the least suffering. I don't agree with your premise (or maybe put individual suffering of humans at a higher level than animals), but I do agree with your conclusions. I don't know if you count climate impact in "suffering" in general but that's a good argument for veganism too. > I have no reason whatsoever to believe that someone feeling good on a carnist diet but bad on a plant based diet is anything other than not knowing how to have a balanced plant based diet, which is easy to do when armed with the knowledge. I think that's shortsighted of you for two reasons. First, as I said, I think you underestimate the individual variations between people. Second, considering how many people suffer from obesity in America, I don't agree that having a balanced diet, be it plant based or anything else, is easy.

Zababa 5y ago

> Anecdotal stories of people feeling better only eating meat aren’t useful for the discussion. That's where we disagree. I think they are because I think we underestimate the differences between people. > Besides, even if we accept your premise that nutritional data are unhelpful in understanding the effectiveness of any diet, this can said of both plant-based and carnist diets, meaning we can’t say one or the other is better, or worse, or more or less nutritious. Again I disagree. My conclusion is that everyone should experiment with different kinds of diet and see what works. We may not know at the humanity level, but we can learn more at the individual level. > In that case, I think we should then choose the diet which we definitively know causes the least suffering. I don't agree with your premise (or maybe put individual suffering of humans at a higher level than animals), but I do agree with your conclusions. I don't know if you count climate impact in "suffering" in general but that's a good argument for veganism too. > I have no reason whatsoever to believe that someone feeling good on a carnist diet but bad on a plant based diet is anything other than not knowing how to have a balanced plant based diet, which is easy to do when armed with the knowledge. I think that's shortsighted of you for two reasons. First, as I said, I think you underestimate the individual variations between people. Second, considering how many people suffer from obesity in America, I don't agree that having a balanced diet, be it plant based or anything else, is easy.