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Cops play music during filmed encounters to game YouTube's copyright striking
- underseacables 5y agoClever ploy but dubious at best. i get the feeling its akin to the audible version of a free speech zone.
- jeremyjh 5y agoWhich part is dubious? Do you think this ploy will not work and that Youtube will somehow allow these particular videos to be posted?
- 0des 5y agoTypically the videos are allowed regardless, however it changes the dynamics of advertising and where those residual earnings are attributed for the ad views (if present)
- lykahb 5y agoThis looks awfully like an idea from a dystopian cyberpunk fiction book. The title brings together the total surveillance, powerful corporations, and the social problems.
- perihelions 5y agoThe dystopian cyberpunk is already here; it's just not very evenly distributed.
- falcolas 5y agoCyberpunk is not a positive place to be. It's not a standard of living we should be aiming for.
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- jefflombardjr 5y agoThere's no way the cops doing this on duty have that music licensed for non-personal use. Where are the RIAA lawyers when you need them?
- dotBen 5y agoIANAL but spent a lot of time around DMCA and rights... I doubt the cop playing music on a paid Spotify account/etc in this way would be considered commercial reproduction. At least not by the cop - possibly the by the person uploading the video... and thus the issue and the opportunity for take-down.
- DrJokepu 5y agoI also deal a lot with music copyright, professionally. In this case it’s not about commercial reproduction of the recording, it’s about unauthorized public performance of the underlying work (composition).
- dotBen 5y agoIf that was really enforceable then anyone playing music out of their phone speaker in public, eg on the bus, would be infringing. It's not a thing. (why people insist on playing music in public out of their phone speaker in an annoying way is another topic!)
- DrJokepu 5y agoThat is, in fact, infringement, however trivial. It’s obviously not something worth pursuing in court.
- tannedNerd 5y agoThis a genius response to this if the RIAA actually cared. He is clearly using the music in a public performance as he intends for it to be added to an online video. If the RIAA gave a rats ass about anything but money they could get some serious brownie points by asking anyone who has this down to them to forward the videos so they can serve the individual cops.
- thamer 5y agoPrevious conversations: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26082303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26082303
- nwiswell 5y agoAn arms race, then. We need a service that does the minimum audio modification necessary to ensure the music can't be recognized by YouTube's copyright algorithms.
- NHQ 5y agohttps://github.com/deezer/spleeter https://github.com/deezer/spleeter
- dijksterhuis 5y agoThe research side of "minimum modifications required" is with not quite there yet [0]. Audio source separation for now is probably the way to go (see other child comment). Although I imagine it would encounter similar problems with "over the air" type environments. Black box transfers require large, audibly noticeable modifications. see "Transfer attacks against YouTube’s Content ID" audio example in [0]. Most work has focused on speech recognition, so see final appendix in [1], the authors of which are currently looking at the problem in more detail (stay tuned for results). Also, over-the-air attacks require a lot more modification than attacks against image classifiers [2]. A lot of recent work (for voice at least) has found signal processing tricks are simple and efficient ways to deal with it [3]. But these untargeted attacks always run the risk of copyright detection flagging it as a different song instead of "not copyrighted". So, basically, more research is required to get to the Fawkes "for audio" [4]. As an aside: I would not want to be "that guy" who invented the technology to defeat audio copyright detection systems. I think copyright is a good thing and would only work on something like that to help improve a given system. This specific issue should be handled by through some form of legal proceeding. [0]: https://www.cs.umd.edu/~tomg/projects/copyrightattack/ https://www.cs.umd.edu/~tomg/projects/copyrightattack/ [1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.06622 https://arxiv.org/abs/2007.06622 [2]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.01551v1 https://arxiv.org/abs/1908.01551v1 [3]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.05262 https://arxiv.org/abs/1910.05262 [4]: https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/fawkes/ https://sandlab.cs.uchicago.edu/fawkes/ Edit: phone went mad and wouldn't let me type things.
- falcolas 5y agoI wouldn't think it to be exceptionally hard to do: a song is a fairly static piece of audio, with broadly available references. Using that reference to isolate and remove the song from the audio stream might not be easy, but it should be possible.
- kwhitefoot 5y agoPost them on some other video sharing site as well, surely there must be one somewhere that would work.
- vmception 5y agoIPFS would buy time, even though the node operator could be subject to copyright infringement claims We could do cross border pinning, where Russian servers are recruited to store and pin and just ignore copyright claims
- bialpio 5y agoHere's an idea for a song they should play: Rage Against The Machine - Killing In the Name https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWXazVhlyxQ
- dr-detroit 5y agoall you have to do is make your 1 video unmonetized. doesnt anybody know how anything works?????
- alex_young 5y agoDoes the officer’s statement that he’s doing this to obtain a YouTube strike, while performing the work, make it subject to fair use? Seems arguable.
- plank_time 5y agoNo. They don’t own the copyright of the song. That’s why it’s getting tagged by the algorithms.
- encryptluks2 5y agoFair use wouldn't require the own the copyright since it would be considered newsworthy.
- encryptluks2 5y agoThis, however YouTube is not friendly to fair use and makes appealing as scary as possible. They'd be better off doing a commentary video of the video while pausing the video every 30 seconds.
- manicdee 5y agoNo, he is indicating that the unlicensed public performance of the work is deliberate.
- squarefoot 5y agoAs I wrote in a similar thread the other day, a possible solution would be to upload the video with a different audio track containing just a fsk encoded timecode plus location of the real one on a decentralized p2p network. Then a browser extension could pick the real audio track and play it in sync with the video in a transparent way.
- MrStonedOne 5y agoI am glad police departments are raising awareness about our broken copyright system. Hopefully some work can be done now to fix it.
- mousetree 5y agoCan't you just upload the video without sound?
- FpUser 5y agoThey can say whatever they want. But it just shows that they're scumbags without the trace of honor and integrity. Normally they must be immediately sued for playing copyrighted music in public while on duty. Unfortunately the big brother had decided that the government is immune to to copyright violations. I am pretty sure that Russia / China and whole bunch of other countries will be more than willing to host it on their video services. Congrats.
- FpUser 5y agoAn idea. By filming that creative cop I am providing witness services, basically volunteer job for the Government. Should be free from copyright conditions then.
- dang 5y agoDiscussed yesterday: Police officer plays Taylor Swift song to keep a video off YouTube - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27702325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27702325 - July 2021 (304 comments) Also related (thanks thamer): Multiple Beverly Hills PD officers now weaponizing copyright against streaming - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114959 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114959 - Feb 2021 (244 comments) Police playing music while being filmed, seemingly to trigger copyright filters - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26082303 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26082303 - Feb 2021 (487 comments)
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