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their factories will go in 2023 from investment phase into extraction. Also 2023 will be the first year to give them benefits from their own battery tech. 2023

by maxdo 5y ago

their factories will go in 2023 from investment phase into extraction. Also 2023 will be the first year to give them benefits from their own battery tech. 2023 will be still a year tesla can sell as much as they can produce batteries. Due to enormous demand for Cybertruck, Semi, lower prices in EU

sharken 5y ago
Tesla has still not opened up their Supercharger network, they are the last major provider who has not done this. Apparently the terms offered by Tesla is unacceptable, it is hard to see the EU keep on accepting this state of affairs. It does look like this might change in September 2022 in Norway, which in my opinion is very late. Source: https://electrek.co/2021/06/24/tesla-confirms-plan-open-supercharger-network-other-automakers-next-year/ https://electrek.co/2021/06/24/tesla-confirms-plan-open-supe... Germany also wants to open up the Supercharger network: https://www.torquenews.com/13417/german-minister-wants-tesla-open-their-supercharger-network-all-evs https://www.torquenews.com/13417/german-minister-wants-tesla...
- maxdo 5y ago
  Honestly, as an owner of tesla, I don't want network to be open, tesla has enough volume to keep their own charges loaded. I paid my premium to be able to charge anywhere I want. I went to a camping destination 3h away from new york? No problem 20 minutes before camping, in the mountains, I have supercharger . Now, imagine some nissan leaf with slow charging capabilities will take my spot? Why Tesla should solve problems of companies who doesn't want to invest enough money? If you look at the price nissan leaf versus model 3 , they have $4-5k gap. That's a lot of money, but people understand that and vote with their wallets. You can see tesla model 3/Y on every traffic light, not Nissan leaf. I call it fair competition :)
- rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
  Why open up their chargers if other cars charge much slower than Teslas? You'd have Tesla owners queuing in for a quick charges while a slow charging EV is taking a loong time to charge the same energy. Tesla should wait until the other cars are almost as fast to charge as Tesla to share their network. This has nothing to do with pricing but availability of chargers for customers who paid Tesla to access to this service.
  - dane-pgp 5y ago
    Tesla could say that each car using one of their chargers can only charge for X minutes per megajoule of battery depletion. They could choose X such that Tesla owners would get a full charge, which would mean that a car that charges half as quickly would only get half the recharge. (There would have to also be some sort of limit on how many times you can charge per day, to stop people just travelling from charger to charger and Zeno's paradoxing their way to a full charge).
    - maxdo 5y ago
      yep, now imagine summer super hot day, your A/C is burning, and some touristic destination charger is busy. Why on earth tesla owner should spent 1h on charging instead of 15 minutes? Especially premium model S/X owners? I don't understand why. It's sort of communism. Tesla spent billions in their infra. Tesla sells as much cars as possible. One of the reasons they are successful is their infra. There is no rational reason for Tesla to do so. It will increase competition for other networks in a negative way. If somewhere in the mountains there is a tesla charger and others can use it... Why global charging networks would build something there? Unless amount of non-tesla cars is several times higher. Also, considering Tesla plans and release of $25k in 2023 in 1-2 years existing infra would be extremely busy. We need a place for alternative networks, not suffocate competition with communism regulations and promoting Tesla network as the only option.
      - dane-pgp 5y ago
        I didn't say that Tesla should do this, much less be forced to do it. If they did open up their charger network, they would have to make a profit from it some how. For example, Tesla could set a higher price for charging cars made by other manufacturers, and the limits on how long they could charge for would act as another reminder to car owners of the benefits of a Tesla. I think your logic of exclusivity works both ways, and suggests that other charging networks should forbid Teslas from charging on them, unless Tesla paid them a huge annual service charge. To some extent, a rising tide lifts all boats, so encouraging more people to buy electric cars provides more charging points for Tesla owners even if the company stop building superchargers.
- kwhitefoot 5y ago
  The elektrek article is misleading. It is quite possible that Tesla will simply arrange that the station include third party chargers. Norway is not requiring Tesla to open the network to other brands; it is simply the case that local authorities who want to improve access to chargers will only provide financial incentives if this results in increased access for all users.

by maxdo 5y ago

sharken 5y ago

Tesla has still not opened up their Supercharger network, they are the last major provider who has not done this. Apparently the terms offered by Tesla is unacceptable, it is hard to see the EU keep on accepting this state of affairs. It does look like this might change in September 2022 in Norway, which in my opinion is very late. Source: https://electrek.co/2021/06/24/tesla-confirms-plan-open-supercharger-network-other-automakers-next-year/ https://electrek.co/2021/06/24/tesla-confirms-plan-open-supe... Germany also wants to open up the Supercharger network: https://www.torquenews.com/13417/german-minister-wants-tesla-open-their-supercharger-network-all-evs https://www.torquenews.com/13417/german-minister-wants-tesla...

maxdo 5y ago
Honestly, as an owner of tesla, I don't want network to be open, tesla has enough volume to keep their own charges loaded. I paid my premium to be able to charge anywhere I want. I went to a camping destination 3h away from new york? No problem 20 minutes before camping, in the mountains, I have supercharger . Now, imagine some nissan leaf with slow charging capabilities will take my spot? Why Tesla should solve problems of companies who doesn't want to invest enough money? If you look at the price nissan leaf versus model 3 , they have $4-5k gap. That's a lot of money, but people understand that and vote with their wallets. You can see tesla model 3/Y on every traffic light, not Nissan leaf. I call it fair competition :)
rcMgD2BwE72F 5y ago
Why open up their chargers if other cars charge much slower than Teslas? You'd have Tesla owners queuing in for a quick charges while a slow charging EV is taking a loong time to charge the same energy. Tesla should wait until the other cars are almost as fast to charge as Tesla to share their network. This has nothing to do with pricing but availability of chargers for customers who paid Tesla to access to this service.
- dane-pgp 5y ago
  Tesla could say that each car using one of their chargers can only charge for X minutes per megajoule of battery depletion. They could choose X such that Tesla owners would get a full charge, which would mean that a car that charges half as quickly would only get half the recharge. (There would have to also be some sort of limit on how many times you can charge per day, to stop people just travelling from charger to charger and Zeno's paradoxing their way to a full charge).
  - maxdo 5y ago
    yep, now imagine summer super hot day, your A/C is burning, and some touristic destination charger is busy. Why on earth tesla owner should spent 1h on charging instead of 15 minutes? Especially premium model S/X owners? I don't understand why. It's sort of communism. Tesla spent billions in their infra. Tesla sells as much cars as possible. One of the reasons they are successful is their infra. There is no rational reason for Tesla to do so. It will increase competition for other networks in a negative way. If somewhere in the mountains there is a tesla charger and others can use it... Why global charging networks would build something there? Unless amount of non-tesla cars is several times higher. Also, considering Tesla plans and release of $25k in 2023 in 1-2 years existing infra would be extremely busy. We need a place for alternative networks, not suffocate competition with communism regulations and promoting Tesla network as the only option.
    - dane-pgp 5y ago
      I didn't say that Tesla should do this, much less be forced to do it. If they did open up their charger network, they would have to make a profit from it some how. For example, Tesla could set a higher price for charging cars made by other manufacturers, and the limits on how long they could charge for would act as another reminder to car owners of the benefits of a Tesla. I think your logic of exclusivity works both ways, and suggests that other charging networks should forbid Teslas from charging on them, unless Tesla paid them a huge annual service charge. To some extent, a rising tide lifts all boats, so encouraging more people to buy electric cars provides more charging points for Tesla owners even if the company stop building superchargers.
kwhitefoot 5y ago
The elektrek article is misleading. It is quite possible that Tesla will simply arrange that the station include third party chargers. Norway is not requiring Tesla to open the network to other brands; it is simply the case that local authorities who want to improve access to chargers will only provide financial incentives if this results in increased access for all users.